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Reply #30 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:08pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 9:36am:

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Don't need Abbott to tell me its all a bunch of bullsh#t, even the most basic of research and fact checking shows what a load of crap it is.

What are you qualifications for that research and its interpretation? What makes your findings superior to those of the vast majority of the best qualified. Do you have a rational basis for your belief?

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Reply #31 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:14pm

viewpoint wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:48pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:20pm:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:01pm:

Design and analysis of energy systems:

Bioenergy systems and technologies.

Urban Energy Systems

Modelling and optimisation of low carbon technologies and systems (e.g. CCS, hydrogen infrastrucutre etc).

Something says the Professor has a vested interest in promoting his point of view.

Pfizer has a vested interest in cancer drugs.

Is cancer therefore a hoax?

But lets just leave it to the hardest arses in business, Insurance companies for years have been warning & factoring in climate change.

Pfizer is a commercial operation with share holders dickhead, not some "supposed" evangelical academic do-gooder who's opinion is pomoted as genuine concern, instead of his special interest in promoting that which is to his own personal and financial advantage.......just like Pfizer, the difference being they are honest about their interests.

So Pfizer doesn't employ academics?
They don't believe in Academics "Findings???"

You'll find most research for your "Commercial interests" is done by universities with grants from both companies and government.

But my point still stands, you cant see cancer or climate change until its too late, so why do you believe 1 set of academic findings & not another?

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viewpoint Gold Member Offline A joke is a very serious thing. [Winston] Posts: 2209 Gender:	Re: Abbott's carbon move likened to HIV denial Reply #32 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:30pm Well as my daughter is a biochemist and geneticist working as a researcher mapping genes in cancer research funded by the Wellcome Trust/Foundation in an English university, I think I know exactly what that involves, but it does not mean that I believe the hype being promoted by this person.
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Reply #33 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:38pm

viewpoint wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:30pm:

Well as my daughter is a biochemist and geneticist working as a researcher mapping genes in cancer research funded by the Welcome Foundation in an English university, I think I know exactly what that involves, but it does not mean that I believe the hype being promoted by this person.

Kudos to your daughter.

The highlighted is my point, you believe your daughter, doesn't she have a vested interest.

Why is her work not HYPE.

Don't scientists,biochemists and geneticists get millions PA in research grants?

Why aren't they just feathering their nests, over educated elitist scum, just as the climate sciences are?

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Reply #34 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:43pm

# wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:08pm:

What are you qualifications for that research and its interpretation? What makes your findings superior to those of the vast majority of the best qualified. Do you have a rational basis for your belief?

The fact that you get your "science" from Dikran Marsupial and the activist crackpots and hippies at unskeptical science says it all really Grin

, try reading Ian Plimers Heavan and Earth. Wink

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Re: Abbott's carbon move likened to HIV denial
Reply #36 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:12pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:38pm:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:30pm:

Well as my daughter is a biochemist and geneticist working as a researcher mapping genes in cancer research funded by the Welcome Foundation in an English university, I think I know exactly what that involves, but it does not mean that I believe the hype being promoted by this person.

Kudos to your daughter.

The highlighted is my point, you believe your daughter, doesn't she have a vested interest.

Why is her work not HYPE.

Don't scientists,biochemists and geneticists get millions PA in research grants?

Why aren't they just feathering their nests, over educated elitist scum, just as the climate sciences are?

She does not hold patents to her work, and does not make rash statements to garner publicity. Grants are not made to individuals, and they have to be accounted for in every aspect of the research, so your statements are somewhat on the naive side don't you think?

Incidentally, the elitist scum bit sounds more like Mr Grey the Anarchist. My daughter in fact spent nine years working hard to get her doctorate from sixteen years old onward, so I hardly think she can be referred to as elitist. Well not by anybody who isn't a socialist, unionist muppet, or a freaky anarchist.

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Re: Abbott's carbon move likened to HIV denial
Reply #37 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:24pm

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Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:43pm:

... try reading Ian Plimers Heavan and Earth. Wink

Will that change what the vast majority of the best qualified say?

That "consensus" LOL, concocted by the activists at unsceptical science has been quite convincingly debunked, do try and keep up Wink

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Re: Abbott's carbon move likened to HIV denial
Reply #38 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:25pm

viewpoint wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:12pm:

She does not hold patents to her work, and does not make rash statements to garner publicity. Grants are not made to individuals, and they have to be accounted for in every aspect of the research, so your statements are somewhat on the naive side don't you think?

As with 99.9% of climate scientists, they just happen to be saying something, that for whatever reason you don't want to agree with.

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Incidentally, the elitist scum bit sounds more like Mr Grey the Anarchist. My daughter in fact spent nine years working hard to get her doctorate from sixteen years old onward, so I hardly think she can be referred to as elitist.

As I said Kudos, I'm well aware of the self discipline required for such work, she is a credit to you & her mother.

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Well not by anybody who isn't a socialist, unionist muppet, or a freaky anarchist.

Ironically the only people I've heard use the word ELITIST as a derogatory term for well educated are republicans in America & idiots here in this country.
It was a FOX News standard for quite a while.
Hardly socialist let alone anarcist, just another example of conservative double-think.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58674 Here Gender:	Re: Abbott's carbon move likened to HIV denial Reply #39 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:42pm Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 11:37am: What's more important, climate change or gay rights? What's more important: Removing the carbon price or stopping the boats ?????
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Re: Abbott's carbon move likened to HIV denial
Reply #40 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:44pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 9:36am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 8:20am:

Thankfully its all a great big hoax and we don't have anything to worry about.

Abbott will have to take responsibility for fostering this type of ignorance. When the seriousness of this problem becomes unavoidable, people will ask who deliberately fed the public's ignorance. Abbott has symbolically banished Science from the ministry, closed the government body responsible for informing the community about the science of climate change, and is now seeking to dismantle the only mechanism that can efficiently reduce our emmissions of greenhouse gases.

Don't need Abbott to tell me its all a bunch of bullsh#t, even the most basic of research and fact checking shows what a load of crap it is.

Makes it difficult - lets see who should I believe AP and Tony or over 90% of the professionals who work in the field ???? Tough one that!

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Abbott's carbon move likened to HIV denial Reply #41 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:46pm Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:24pm: ... That "consensus" LOL, concocted by the activists at unsceptical science has been quite convincingly debunked, ... You can't substantiate that assertion, can you?
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Reply #42 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:48pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:33am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:50am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 8:17am:

Verge wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 7:01am:

While Abbotts denial is a concern, I dont like people using such emotive and graphic comparisons in order to discredit those they disagree with.

If you want to be respected in your field of profession, just debate the facts.

The true message gets lost as people focus on the drama instead.

He could have said abbotts belief in climate change is likened to a teenage boys best method of contraception is the pull out method, but it just doesnt have the same impact does it as the one used above.

It's an important analogy. Politicians and political parties need to be told their inaction will come with a heavy political price. Abbott's legacy and the credibility of his party will be trashed beyond repair if he does not take the threat of global warming seriously.

It's a ludicrous analogy and the fact you support it shows just how gullible you are.

I'm not the one denying the science, armchair.

What science? It's reports prepared by scientists on the govt. payroll. You don't think they will say what the govt. wants to keep the cash rolling in?

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Re: Abbott's carbon move likened to HIV denial
Reply #43 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:49pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:48pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:33am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:50am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 8:17am:

Verge wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 7:01am:

While Abbotts denial is a concern, I dont like people using such emotive and graphic comparisons in order to discredit those they disagree with.

If you want to be respected in your field of profession, just debate the facts.

The true message gets lost as people focus on the drama instead.

He could have said abbotts belief in climate change is likened to a teenage boys best method of contraception is the pull out method, but it just doesnt have the same impact does it as the one used above.

It's an important analogy. Politicians and political parties need to be told their inaction will come with a heavy political price. Abbott's legacy and the credibility of his party will be trashed beyond repair if he does not take the threat of global warming seriously.

It's a ludicrous analogy and the fact you support it shows just how gullible you are.

I'm not the one denying the science, armchair.

What science? It's reports prepared by scientists on the govt. payroll. You don't think they will say what the govt. wants to keep the cash rolling in?

You believe those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear.

Don't you Puddle.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Abbott's carbon move likened to HIV denial Reply #44 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:52pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:48pm: ... What science? ... Here's a good place to start: http://www.skepticalscience.com/. Lots of substantial, peer-reviewed and referenced materials.
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