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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: Abbott's carbon move likened to HIV denial Reply #45 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:00pm # wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:46pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:24pm: ... That "consensus" LOL, concocted by the activists at unsceptical science has been quite convincingly debunked, ... You can't substantiate that assertion, can you? Err yes, but you wouldn't be interested.
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Reply #46 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:04pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:00pm:

# wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:46pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:24pm:

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That "consensus" LOL, concocted by the activists at unsceptical science has been quite convincingly debunked, ...

You can't substantiate that assertion, can you?

Err yes, ...

If you could have, you would have. Roll Eyes

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Reply #47 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:19pm

#, this is a familiar tune that Innocent Bystander often sings ... he makes claims and then when you ask him to substantiate them, he comes back with either, 'you wouldn't be interested'(the fact that you ask means nothing apparently) or his other favourite is 'I've put them up in the past, go find them' .....

One answer you will never get from him, however, is actual proof of his comments.

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Reply #48 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:44pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:19pm:

#, this is a familiar tune that Innocent Bystander often sings ... he makes claims and then when you ask him to substantiate them, he comes back with either, 'you wouldn't be interested'(the fact that you ask means nothing apparently) or his other favourite is 'I've put them up in the past, go find them' .....

One answer you will never get from him, however, is actual proof of his comments.

First one has to be able to critically analyze information, that leaves you out jonny, which is why attempting to educate you is a waste of your time and mine Wink

As for # he is patently not interested in fact checking his own information, otherwise he would check the claim for his self and not rely on me, when someone told me about the bogus consensus I decided to check it out myself to see if they were right and f#ck me dead they were.

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Reply #49 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 4:57pm

Verge wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 7:01am:

While Abbotts denial is a concern, I dont like people using such emotive and graphic comparisons in order to discredit those they disagree with.

If you want to be respected in your field of profession, just debate the facts.

The true message gets lost as people focus on the drama instead.

He could have said abbotts belief in climate change is likened to a teenage boys best method of contraception is the pull out method, but it just doesnt have the same impact does it as the one used above.

it should also be noted that the author is employed to support the ACC hysteria. He is hardly an impartial commentator. Nor did he address the issue itself, only the fact of someone disagreeing with him.

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Reply #50 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 4:59pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 8:17am:

Verge wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 7:01am:

While Abbotts denial is a concern, I dont like people using such emotive and graphic comparisons in order to discredit those they disagree with.

If you want to be respected in your field of profession, just debate the facts.

The true message gets lost as people focus on the drama instead.

He could have said abbotts belief in climate change is likened to a teenage boys best method of contraception is the pull out method, but it just doesnt have the same impact does it as the one used above.

It's an important analogy. Politicians and political parties need to be told their inaction will come with a heavy political price. Abbott's legacy and the credibility of his party will be trashed beyond repair if he does not take the threat of global warming seriously.

the problem is that you start with the basic premise that ACC is an unassailable and proven position - which it is not. Like all non-thinking, hand-clapping, ACC sheer-leaders, the idea that it could be wrong has simply never occurred to you. It is far more likely that the next generation will applaud Abbott for finally taking Australia our of the hysterical response.

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Reply #51 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:02pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 7:32pm:

https://upworthy-production.s3.amazonaws.com/nugget/518adf250b35100015007c11/att...

Are you paying attention yet?

Of course conservatives don't care - they'll all be dead by the time it has taken hold.

and isn't it funny how the previously scientifically proven 4000-8000PPM records no longer appear??? a bit like how the little ice age and the medieval warm period mysteriously disappeared from the now-maligned Hockey Stick graph.

so yes, I am calling fraud on this. And it isnt as if there is a plethora of evidence to prove fraud.

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Reply #52 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:04pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 11:43am:

Verge wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 7:01am:

While Abbotts denial is a concern, I dont like people using such emotive and graphic comparisons in order to discredit those they disagree with.

If you want to be respected in your field of profession, just debate the facts.

The true message gets lost as people focus on the drama instead.

He could have said abbotts belief in climate change is likened to a teenage boys best method of contraception is the pull out method, but it just doesnt have the same impact does it as the one used above.

You might not have posted for 6 months but surely you watched the news, read a paper.

Abbott & his band of naysayers are the undisputed champions of the highlighted.

I hope there are many challenges to his title, in fact I hope the whole country is paralayzed as Labor & the rest indulge in a 3 year dummy spit.

Business confidence ia at a 5 year high. My business has shown a massive improvement since the election.

may the 'paralysis' continue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #53 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 11:43am:

Verge wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 7:01am:

While Abbotts denial is a concern, I dont like people using such emotive and graphic comparisons in order to discredit those they disagree with.

If you want to be respected in your field of profession, just debate the facts.

The true message gets lost as people focus on the drama instead.

He could have said abbotts belief in climate change is likened to a teenage boys best method of contraception is the pull out method, but it just doesnt have the same impact does it as the one used above.

You might not have posted for 6 months but surely you watched the news, read a paper.

Abbott & his band of naysayers are the undisputed champions of the highlighted.

I hope there are many challenges to his title, in fact I hope the whole country is paralayzed as Labor & the rest indulge in a 3 year dummy spit.

Business confidence ia at a 5 year high. My business has shown a massive improvement since the election.

may the 'paralysis' continue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congratulations

I hope continues for you.

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Reply #54 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:09pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:20pm:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:01pm:

Design and analysis of energy systems:

Bioenergy systems and technologies.

Urban Energy Systems

Modelling and optimisation of low carbon technologies and systems (e.g. CCS, hydrogen infrastrucutre etc).

Something says the Professor has a vested interest in promoting his point of view.

Pfizer has a vested interest in cancer drugs.

Is cancer therefore a hoax?

But lets just leave it to the hardest arses in business, Insurance companies for years have been warning & factoring in climate change.

brilliant example. After all, pharmaceutical companies have never ever over-stated a medical problem or fabricated one to sell drugs...

WORST POSSIBLE ARGUMENT (unless you were trying to prove the sceptic POV)

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Reply #55 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:12pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:25pm:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:12pm:

She does not hold patents to her work, and does not make rash statements to garner publicity. Grants are not made to individuals, and they have to be accounted for in every aspect of the research, so your statements are somewhat on the naive side don't you think?

As with 99.9% of climate scientists, they just happen to be saying something, that for whatever reason you don't want to agree with.

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Incidentally, the elitist scum bit sounds more like Mr Grey the Anarchist. My daughter in fact spent nine years working hard to get her doctorate from sixteen years old onward, so I hardly think she can be referred to as elitist.

As I said Kudos, I'm well aware of the self discipline required for such work, she is a credit to you & her mother.

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Well not by anybody who isn't a socialist, unionist muppet, or a freaky anarchist.

Ironically the only people I've heard use the word ELITIST as a derogatory term for well educated are republicans in America & idiots here in this country.
It was a FOX News standard for quite a while.
Hardly socialist let alone anarcist, just another example of conservative double-think.

'Climate scientist' is an interesting term. If you are an economist or a paleontologist who supports ACC then you are a climate scientist. But if you are a geologist, atmospheric physicist or environmental expert, but question ACC, then you are not.

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Reply #56 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:13pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:20pm:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:01pm:

Design and analysis of energy systems:

Bioenergy systems and technologies.

Urban Energy Systems

Modelling and optimisation of low carbon technologies and systems (e.g. CCS, hydrogen infrastrucutre etc).

Something says the Professor has a vested interest in promoting his point of view.

Pfizer has a vested interest in cancer drugs.

Is cancer therefore a hoax?

But lets just leave it to the hardest arses in business, Insurance companies for years have been warning & factoring in climate change.

brilliant example. After all, pharmaceutical companies have never ever over-stated a medical problem or fabricated one to sell drugs...

WORST POSSIBLE ARGUMENT (unless you were trying to prove the sceptic POV)

I'm over trying to argue about this, & its getting close to the point were I stop arguing altogether.

Companies will get their way regardless of the impacts on people & as long as those impacts are on a few farmers or black/poor people we won't care.

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Reply #57 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:12pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:25pm:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 2:12pm:

She does not hold patents to her work, and does not make rash statements to garner publicity. Grants are not made to individuals, and they have to be accounted for in every aspect of the research, so your statements are somewhat on the naive side don't you think?

As with 99.9% of climate scientists, they just happen to be saying something, that for whatever reason you don't want to agree with.

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Incidentally, the elitist scum bit sounds more like Mr Grey the Anarchist. My daughter in fact spent nine years working hard to get her doctorate from sixteen years old onward, so I hardly think she can be referred to as elitist.

As I said Kudos, I'm well aware of the self discipline required for such work, she is a credit to you & her mother.

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Well not by anybody who isn't a socialist, unionist muppet, or a freaky anarchist.

Ironically the only people I've heard use the word ELITIST as a derogatory term for well educated are republicans in America & idiots here in this country.
It was a FOX News standard for quite a while.
Hardly socialist let alone anarcist, just another example of conservative double-think.

'Climate scientist' is an interesting term. If you are an economist or a paleontologist who supports ACC then you are a climate scientist. But if you are a geologist, atmospheric physicist or environmental expert, but question ACC, then you are not.

Exactly where did I post that?

Anyone who works in the field of climate with a degree I would consider a climate scientist.
An economist who believes in CC is smart but not scientist.

A geologist who disagree's well I think your a hero, nodding heads are boring & fill me with fear, I look forward to dissenters that actually know what they are on about, although I will caveat that with I want to know who is paying for them.

Just as you believe 99% of CC scientists are lying & believe deniers can be bought as well.

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Reply #58 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:20pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:20pm:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:01pm:

Design and analysis of energy systems:

Bioenergy systems and technologies.

Urban Energy Systems

Modelling and optimisation of low carbon technologies and systems (e.g. CCS, hydrogen infrastrucutre etc).

Something says the Professor has a vested interest in promoting his point of view.

Pfizer has a vested interest in cancer drugs.

Is cancer therefore a hoax?

But lets just leave it to the hardest arses in business, Insurance companies for years have been warning & factoring in climate change.

brilliant example. After all, pharmaceutical companies have never ever over-stated a medical problem or fabricated one to sell drugs...

WORST POSSIBLE ARGUMENT (unless you were trying to prove the sceptic POV)

I'm over trying to argue about this, & its getting close to the point were I stop arguing altogether.

Companies will get their way regardless of the impacts on people & as long as those impacts are on a few farmers or black/poor people we won't care.

and you think governments don't do the same thing? I see in ACC a global hysteria supported by little more than a few data points but overwhelmed but an absolutely refusal of the climate as a whole to budge outside its normal trajectory. Seas rise by 50mm. so wat? they've been 100m higher and lower in the past. Temperatures rise by 0.7 degrees??? so what/ The MVP was 3-4 degrees warmer and the little ice age 2-3 degrees cooler. extreme weather is actually slightly LOWER tha the average of the last century. This is a massive global hysteria and future generations will study just how it happened - and how it ended. It is an embarrassment to us all to be so gullible and so arrogant and to swallow the patently false.

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Reply #59 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:20pm:

and you think governments don't do the same thing?

How quaint, you think governments still control nations.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:20pm:

I see in ACC a global hysteria supported by little more than a few data points but overwhelmed but an absolutely refusal of the climate as a whole to budge outside its normal trajectory.

Your opinion & your entitled to it

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:20pm:

Seas rise by 50mm. so wat? they've been 100m higher and lower in the past. Temperatures rise by 0.7 degrees??? so what/ The MVP was 3-4 degrees warmer and the little ice age 2-3 degrees cooler. extreme weather is actually slightly LOWER tha the average of the last century.

No problem in a world with under a billion, problem is now days we have 8 billion & rising rapidly.

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:20pm:

This is a massive global hysteria and future generations will study just how it happened - and how it ended. It is an embarrassment to us all to be so gullible and so arrogant and to swallow the patently false.

Again IN YOUR OPINION

Which goes against the vast majority of science.

Its a big gamble to take with your children's future, just to save a few bucks & keep oil/gas & coal as the preferred energy sources.

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