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Attack on Nairobi Mall
Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 9:40am

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/gunmen-throw-grenades-at-mall-in-nairob...

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Thirty-nine people were killed and 150 wounded in an attack on a Nairobi shopping mall, Kenyan president Uhuru Kenyatta said in a televised address to the nation.

He said Kenya had "overcome terrorist attacks before, and we will defeat them again," and told the nation he had also "personally lost family members in the Westgate attack".

"Our security forces are in the process of neutralising the attackers and securing the mall," he said, as security operations went on late into the night.

Somalia's Al Qaeda-linked Shebab group said its fighters were behind the attack.

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Reply #1 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 11:19am

I blame the infidels for this incident!

Yes, i'm sure that those infidels were persecuting moslems again, somewhere.

In neighbouring Somalia perhaps ?

Yes, yes!

That's it!

The Kenyan infidels had been persecuting moslems in neighbouring Somalia!!!!

So those Kenyans deserve everything they got! Cheesy

OR, was this attack on Nairobi Mall, a case of Zionists, once again impersonating extreme moslems ?

Oh! i don't know, 'world affairs', is all too complicated for me! Tongue

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Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
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"Killing infidels is a small matter to us"

Mohammed - the prophet of the religion of peace dismembered body parts.

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Attack on Nairobi Mall Reply #2 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 12:44pm Kenya invaded Somalia October 2010. 500,000 Muslims killed in this barbaric Christian invasion of Somalia. Where is the news coverage of the ongoing deaths of these 500,000 killed by Christians in Somalia?
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Reply #3 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 12:50pm

Let me clarify? Are you saying that you condone this attack?

IMHO this issue is about barbarity versus civilised behaviour as opposed to one religion against another. Which side do you support?

It's a very long bow to draw to say that the Kenyan Army is Christian. The battalions involved came mostly from Mariakani Barracks in Mombasa, which is predominately Muslim. I was in Mombasa in 1980.

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Reply #4 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 2:29pm

muso wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Let me clarify? Are you saying that you condone this attack?

I am not condoning anything.

I would note that their are plenty of Christian maniacs on this forum who condone Hiroshima though.

What I am saying is that this wouldn't have happened if these Christian barbarians hadn't invaded Somalia and killed 500,000 Muslims.

Why the hypocritical coverage of a few Christian kills and total ignorance of the 500,000 Muslims killed by Christians barbarians in Somalia?

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: Attack on Nairobi Mall Reply #5 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 2:48pm I heartily condemn this attack by Islamic extremists in Kenya.
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Reply #6 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 3:21pm

True Colours wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 2:29pm:

Why the hypocritical coverage of a few Christian kills and total ignorance of the 500,000 Muslims killed by Christians barbarians in Somalia?

They were probably mostly muslim "barbarians" - the Kenyan army was there as part of an AU force. You must have missed this part of my post:

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It's a very long bow to draw to say that the Kenyan Army is Christian. The Kenyan battalions involved came mostly from Mariakani Barracks in Mombasa, which is predominately Muslim.

Actually the Kenyan troops were part of an African Union force numbering 17,000. The troops were not all Kenyan. Some were from Uganda, Tanzania, Burundi and other countries.

Have a look at the African Union membership. Quite a few predominantly Muslim countries in that list.

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The Kenyan forces were part of the 17,000-strong U.N.-backed African Union force in Somalia, AMISOM, fighting alongside Somali army forces and the pro-government Ras Kamboni militia, that have advanced on Kismayo in recent days. The Shabab fled the capital, Mogadishu, in August 2011, but has launched devastating suicide attacks and has assassinated politicians and journalists in the city.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/28/world/la-fg-kenya-somalia-fighting-20120...

Is the Somali army Christian? That's news to me. Why do you oppose the Somali government?

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Reply #7 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 3:48pm

muso wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 3:21pm:

Is the Somali army Christian? That's news to me. Why do you oppose the Somali government?

The "Somali army" is a bunch of militant thugs working on behalf of warlords - before the Christian invasion, they only controlled a small part of the city of Mogadishu.

The dominant AU forces are from Christian countries.

Armies of Christian rapists. 800 recorded incidents in the first half of 2013 in the AU capital of Mogadishu alone.

UN envoy voices concern over rape allegations at African Union facility

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According to the United Nations, at least 1,700 women were raped, mostly by men in military fatigues, in camps housing the country’s displaced people in Mogadishu, in 2012.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/08/19/319547/somalia-concerned-over-rape-by-au-troops/

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Reply #8 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 5:31pm

True Colours wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 3:48pm:

muso wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 3:21pm:

Is the Somali army Christian? That's news to me. Why do you oppose the Somali government?

The "Somali army" is a bunch of militant thugs working on behalf of warlords - before the Christian invasion, they only controlled a small part of the city of Mogadishu.

The dominant AU forces are from Christian countries.

Armies of Christian rapists. 800 recorded incidents in the first half of 2013 in the AU capital of Mogadishu alone.

UN envoy voices concern over rape allegations at African Union facility

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According to the United Nations, at least 1,700 women were raped, mostly by men in military fatigues, in camps housing the country’s displaced people in Mogadishu, in 2012.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/08/19/319547/somalia-concerned-over-rape-by-au-troops/

Kenya is not entirely a Christian country. It's secular. Most people in Nairobi are Christian, but most of those from Mombasa (or anywhere on the coast) are Muslim.

The countries involved in the AU East Africa Standby Force are: Burundi, Comoros, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, Rwanda, Sudan, Seychelles, Somalia and Uganda.

Burundi- Predominantly Christian
Comoros- Predominantly Muslim
Djibouti- Predominantly Muslim
Ethiopia - 33.9% Muslim, 62.8 % Christian.
Kenya - 11.2% Muslim, 83% Christian, but higher on the coast. Army forces mainly ex Mombasa.
Rwanda- Predominantly Christian
Sudan- Predominantly Muslim
Seychelles - Predominantly Christian
Somalia - Predominantly Muslim
Uganda - about 16 % Muslim, remainder Christian.

That looks about 50:50. Obviously a fair number of soldiers would be Christian, but it's incorrect to say that they are all Christian. It's not a holy war by any means.

It sounds as if al-Shabab are the militant thugs. Most of them seem to be foreign mercenaries.

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Re: Attack on Nairobi Mall
Reply #9 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 9:29pm

True Colours wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Kenya invaded Somalia October 2010. 500,000 Muslims killed in this barbaric Christian invasion of Somalia.

Where is the news coverage of the ongoing deaths of these 500,000 killed by Christians in Somalia?

True_Colours,

No, no!

You got it wrong.

The Christians invaded Somalia in October 2010. and then killed 5 BILLION moslems.

I am sure that number that is correct. Tongue

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True_Colours,

If the Kenyan ARMY did invade Somalia, and if the Kenyan ARMY did kill some Somali moslems....

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Why have the brave warriors of Allah, gone to Kenya and intentionally attacked Kenyan civilians ?

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Why DIDN'T the brave warriors of Allah, go to Kenya and attack the Kenyan army barracks, or, some other MILITARY target ?

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

A.
ISLAM is a terror driven [empowered] philosophy.

Where they have the means and the 'opportunity', moslems ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, employ the use of terror to try to cower the society of their intended victims [e.g. Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc, etc.] - the moslems always hoping that the weakest persons among their intended victims will clammer and appeal to their political leaders, begging them to appease the moslems and accede to the political demands of the moslem aggressors.

That tactic has often worked for moslems, in their wars against Allah's enemies.

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED - ISLAM'S PROPHET AND ARGUABLY, THE AUTHOR OF ALL OF ISLAM'S THEOLOGY

Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

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Reply #10 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 10:00pm

True Colours wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Kenya invaded Somalia October 2010. 500,000 Muslims killed in this barbaric Christian invasion of Somalia.

Where is the news coverage of the ongoing deaths of these 500,000 killed by Christians in Somalia?

One day a couple of guys will shoot up a Muslim shopping mall and offer this kind of justification.

I expect you to then shut up, after saying 'fair enough'. Which is what you are saying now.

Come to think of it, lots of Muslim markets and shopping areas are shot up, bombed and attacked, mostly by other Muslims. And you say nothing, not even ' fair enough'. To you Muslim-on-Muslim violence is normal and unremarkable.

If Muslim kill large numbers of non-Muslim, your first and only thought is to justify and excuse them. Like the bigoted, blinkered hypocrite you are.i

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Reply #11 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 10:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 2:48pm:

I heartily condemn this attack by Islamic extremists in Kenya.

Strutting as ever. Who doesn't condemn this attack? And who else feels the need to jump up and strut about condemning it?

You are a very fair-weather friend and defender of Muslims, aren't you?? The moment the start shooting non-whites, you are elbowing to the fore with your 'hearty' condemnation. Ra ra ra, look at moi, I am hearty.
They can't rely on you, can they?

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Reply #12 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 10:53pm

Soren wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 2:48pm:

I heartily condemn this attack by Islamic extremists in Kenya.

Strutting as ever. Who doesn't condemn this attack? And who else feels the need to jump up and strut about condemning it?

You are a very fair-weather friend and defender of Muslims, aren't you?? The moment the start shooting non-whites, you are elbowing to the fore with your 'hearty' condemnation. Ra ra ra, look at moi, I am hearty.
They can't rely on you, can they?

Hows your Toxophilia going, Soren? Grin

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Reply #13 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 11:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 10:53pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 2:48pm:

I heartily condemn this attack by Islamic extremists in Kenya.

Strutting as ever. Who doesn't condemn this attack? And who else feels the need to jump up and strut about condemning it?

You are a very fair-weather friend and defender of Muslims, aren't you?? The moment the start shooting non-whites, you are elbowing to the fore with your 'hearty' condemnation. Ra ra ra, look at moi, I am hearty.
They can't rely on you, can they?

Hows your Toxophilia going, Soren? Grin

As if you knew what Toxophilia meant.
idiot.

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Reply #14 - Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 11:13pm

Soren wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2013 at 2:48pm:

I heartily condemn this attack by Islamic extremists in Kenya.

Strutting as ever. Who doesn't condemn this attack? And who else feels the need to jump up and strut about condemning it?

You are a very fair-weather friend and defender of Muslims, aren't you?? The moment the start shooting non-whites, you are elbowing to the fore with your 'hearty' condemnation. Ra ra ra, look at moi, I am hearty.
They can't rely on you, can they?

I think I can explain this. You see on another forum far far away, and when his record for being an apologist was being subjected to a hairy eyeball, Brian famously declared that he had previously condemned an Islamic atrocity. To much hilarity cos his record was of only defending and apologising for Islamic atrocities and despite being challenged to produce this condemnation, and others looking for this condemnation, would you believe, none was ever found despite his genuinely heroic post count.

So he has learned from that (which surprises me, cos he is not a fast learner) and he has got in early and he no doubt has this one archived for trotting out in the future, but my guess is, it will be the last you ever hear from Brian condemning an Islamic atrocity, he will be back in form defending and apologising with lashings of "hey look over there".

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