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Reply #45 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:42pm

muso wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

muso wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 11:23pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 11:12pm:

muso,

You are not dumb.

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Why are you still taken in by these deceits ?

Yadda, you have no knowledge of Kenya. I worked there for 2 years and some of my employees were Muslim. In fact it was about 50:50. The group responsible for these attacks is a group of extremists in Somalia, led by an English woman and her boyfriend and most of them are foreign mercenary converts. Nobody supports them in Kenya, and they are losing the war in Somalia. This is the group that was responsible for the kidnappings.

The main reason they have limited support is because they are the Puritan's of Islam. They have impeccable Islamic credentials, they act exactly as the Koran prescribes.They are against the kuffar as well as the Muslim backsliders and modernisers and other lax Muslims. They are literalist, black-letter Muslims.

They were separating out the non-Muslims by asking them to recite an Islamic prayer. Those who couldn't were shot. Why? To make sure no 'innocents' were killed.

Islamic correctness is very, very important to them. Saying that their interpretation is incorrect is laughably useless and often nothing but a smokescreen of excuses. They are motivated enough to act in accordance with their beliefs. They have arrived to their very practical conclusion of what Islam requires of them.

Same with the Lee Rigby atrocity, the Bombay massacre and all the other outrages of this kind. The terrorists spell it out very clearly how and why they are acting exactly as Islam requires. We should take them at their words. There is no reason not to.

They have no credibility with the vast majority of African Muslims in the same way as Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church have no credibility with any decent Christian. You could argue that Fred Phelps is just taking Christianity literally. Maybe we should take his word for it.

Apostatsy laws and the separation of church and state are just the two most obvious reasons that leap to mind and trip up the attempted analogy oince again, I am sorry to say, , Muso.

In the West, there is no requirement to remain in the religion you were born into. And there is no longer a civil war between the denominations. (There used to be and something like that is now happening in Islam.)
And whatever the religion, it has no sway over the law.

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Reply #46 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 6:46pm

Kenya is a secular democracy. It has separation of church and state and plenty of people leave Islam. I remember having a drink with the governor of Coast Province at the time. He happened to be Muslim and he liked a drink of brandy on the rocks. The fishermen on the South Coast didn't drink. I remember them saying it was haram when I offered.

I was specifically talking about Kenyan Muslims and making a distinction between Al Shabaab and Kenyans. They are chalk and cheese.

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Reply #47 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:04pm

muso wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Kenya is a secular democracy. It has separation of church and state and plenty of people leave Islam. I remember having a drink with the governor of Coast Province at the time. He happened to be Muslim and he liked a drink of brandy on the rocks. The fishermen on the South Coast didn't drink. I remember them saying it was haram when I offered.

I was specifically talking about Kenyan Muslims and making a distinction between Al Shabaab and Kenyans. They are chalk and cheese.

Fine, I do realise that you were Kenya specific - and I am not.

No brandy on the rocks Muslim Governor speaks for Islam not even in Kenya or France or the US or anywhere.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: Attack on Nairobi Mall Reply #48 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 10:50pm Did somebody say cheese? I say, old chap, a good brandy is best without the rocks, thank you - a horrible American addition designed to blunten good taste. You must have picked that habit up in Balogney. Jolly good. Don’t let me stop you. Carry on camping.
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Reply #49 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:06pm

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:04pm:

Fine, I do realise that you were Kenya specific - and I am not.

No brandy on the rocks Muslim Governor speaks for Islam not even in Kenya or France or the US or anywhere.

He spoke for Kenya. He was Kenyan first and foremost. Religion is secondary.

Al Shabaab have Western converts in key positions. They are rabble rousers, and they have their rabble from Pakistan and Egypt. I hope that the White Widow was taken out at Westgate.

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Reply #50 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:08pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 10:50pm:

Did somebody say cheese?

I say, old chap, a good brandy is best without the rocks, thank you - a horrible American addition designed to blunten good taste.

You must have picked that habit up in Balogney. Jolly good. Don’t let me stop you.

Carry on camping.

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ABOVE - Just a typical post by Karnal.

A typical post by Karnal, confirming once again, that Karnal is not willing to reveal his real opinions in this forum, on any serious issue.

You do not want 'to define', or to debate with others in this forum.

Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent.

Dictionary;
obfuscate = =
1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Attack on Nairobi Mall Reply #51 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:11pm Leave Karnal alone. He's our mascot.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: Attack on Nairobi Mall Reply #52 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:20pm No, M, please leave Y alone. He’s the only member here who bothers to open a dictionary.
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Reply #53 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:32pm

muso wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:04pm:

Fine, I do realise that you were Kenya specific - and I am not.

No brandy on the rocks Muslim Governor speaks for Islam not even in Kenya or France or the US or anywhere.

He spoke for Kenya. He was Kenyan first and foremost.

Religion is secondary.

The consequences of our choices, are PRIMARY.

The [violent] consequences [to other human beings] of choosing to politically appease moslems [because moslems assure us [falsely] of their begin intent], are PRIMARY.

muso,

The poor choices of persons like yourself, imo, are empowering moslem violence and murder throughout the world today, because people like yourself, ARE IGNORING THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR CHOICE, TO APPEASE [ALL] MOSLEMS.

How are you appeasing moslems in the world ?

By giving them a 'pass', by failing to make them [morally, collectively] accountable for the often violent behaviour of their 'fellow travellers'.

e.g.
If we do not criticise a child's bad behaviour, we give that child a sanction to continually repeat that bad behaviour.

Refusing to assign moral responsibility to 'mainstream' moslems, for the violent behaviour of their fellows moslems, is sanctioning the hatred and violence [towards those who are not moslems] which ISLAM encourages.

For moslems to claim [falsely] that the VIOLENT behaviour of some moslems [towards those who are not moslems] is not sanctioned by ISLAM, is not a legitimate excuse, when their false claim can be exposed - AS BEING A FALSE CLAIM.

muso,

Is choosing to 'look the other away', when the lies of moslems are exposed, acceptable behaviour for [many] persons [in our society] who is claim to be a morally responsible towards others ?

Quote:

a moslem tweet.....

"#WestgateAttack in #Kenya is murder, sinful, barbaric, Un-Islamic extremism, Haram, satanic, heartbreaking, criminal, heinous & cowardly"

muso,

The "WestgateAttack in #Kenya is"
, NOT un-ISLAMIC

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.....as the tweeter is claiming.

muso,

The tweet by that moslem, is in itself, yet another lie, and yet another falsehood, from yet another [truth denying/avoiding] moslem.

It is a statement, BY A MOSLEM, which is [either deceitfully or mistakenly] trying to absolve ISLAM of all material responsibility for the Mall attack, BY MOSLEMS, in Kenya.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103090 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Attack on Nairobi Mall Reply #54 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:38pm Yadda, you do realize where religion leads? Some souls have turned so far from God that pain is the only way to call them back.
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Reply #55 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 12:00am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:38pm:

Yadda,
you do realize where religion leads?

Some souls have turned so far from God
that pain is the only way to call them back.

Yes, bobby.

We Christians are demons incarnate!

And that is why the world of mankind today, should give moslem murder and mayhem a 'pass'.

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p.s.
bobby,

The Pit and the Pendulum (1991) Blu-ray Trailer......

.....was a movie, it was made in Hollywood, as an 'artistic' interpretation of 'Christians past'.i

bobby,
THIS ----> is not a movie, made in Hollywood. ---->

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

but always remember bobby,

i am a demon incarnate

[because i am not an atheist] !!!!!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: Attack on Nairobi Mall Reply #56 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 12:12am That should fix him, Y. You tell em.
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Reply #57 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 12:29am

muso wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:04pm:

Fine, I do realise that you were Kenya specific - and I am not.

No brandy on the rocks Muslim Governor speaks for Islam not even in Kenya or France or the US or anywhere.

He spoke for Kenya. He was Kenyan first and foremost. Religion is secondary.

Alas, for motivated jihadi Muslims, Kenya is secondary (if that).

Your governor will order another brandy on the rocks for Kenyan emancipation.

And the jihadis will shoot up another mall for Allah, killing another few truckloads of secular Kenyans.

Which way do you think this is heading?

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Reply #58 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 12:39am

Karnal wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 12:12am:

That should fix him, Y.

You tell em.

K,

And a person like yourself, is the epitome of what an atheist can aspire to be ?

Yes.

And you are proud of yourself ?

Yes.

But K, no one knows who or what you are, or what you stand for.

Oh yes.

You are an atheist, and you stand for....... nothing.

Cool

Wow!

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Reply #59 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 12:45am

Soren wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 12:29am:

muso wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:04pm:

Fine, I do realise that you were Kenya specific - and I am not.

No brandy on the rocks Muslim Governor speaks for Islam not even in Kenya or France or the US or anywhere.

He spoke for Kenya. He was Kenyan first and foremost. Religion is secondary.

Alas, for motivated jihadi Muslims, Kenya is secondary (if that).

Your governor will order another brandy on the rocks for Kenyan emancipation.

And the jihadis will shoot up another mall for Allah, killing another few truckloads of secular Kenyans.

Which way do you think this is heading?

Hmmmm ?

Why should muso care ?

muso is way, way, 'above' such machinations and intrigues.

muso is, ....a moral, and tolerant person, ....who has the moral luxury, of being able to look the other way.

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