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Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:42am

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Foreign corporations wanting to sue Australian governments will have to cool their heels. New trade minister Andrew Robb says Australia's negotiating position on the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement remains the same despite an election commitment to overturn the blanket prohibition on ''investor-state dispute settlement'' provisions.

The previous government declared point-blank that Australia would never again sign an agreement that included the provisions. One of the few trade agreements Australia has signed with such a clause allowed a Hong Kong-based subsidiary of tobacco giant Philip Morris to take Australia to an international tribunal over its plain-packaging laws, despite having lost its case in the High Court.

It is believed the United States was close to accommodating Australia's insistence by carving out an exemption for Australia while the other 10 signatories were bound by the provisions. Australia is the only country to have successfully concluded a trade deal with the US without such a clause, the US-Australia free trade agreement.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/trade-treaty-stance-the-same-despite-promise-2...

Fingers crossed, but it looks like common sense may prevail.

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In a written statement to Fairfax Media, Mr Robb said it would be ''premature to discuss positions we may wish to pursue on this or any issue under discussion in the Trans Pacific Partnership agreement negotiations''.

''In opposition the Coalition stated that it would consider the inclusion of ISDS provisions in free trade agreements on a case-by-case basis. It would be wrong, however, to assume this changes Australia's current position on ISDS in the context of the Trans Pacific Partnership negotiations.''

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Common sense may prevail. Reply #1 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:57am We need to be wary of the sucker punch, but it seems the Libs are listening. Ironically if Tony does sign up to an ISDS clause in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, we don't gain any trade benefits with America over and above those already negotiated in the original AUSFTA deal.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Common sense may prevail. Reply #2 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:26am Maybe 1. You forgot the adults are in power 2. You were used to labors incompetence and loved it 3. Have a sense of grandeur Take your pick
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Reply #3 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:27am

oh my goodness did the lefties jump in a wee bit quick AGAIN ..you see the libs think things out... they look ahead at the consequences unlike you lefties that like to jump in the deep end to prove how clever you are.. and then end up pretending you know nothing about it when it all goes pear shaped..aka pinkbatts Roll Eyes

..and massive debt.

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Vic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8306 Melbourne Victoria Gender:	Re: Common sense may prevail. Reply #4 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:35am The adults may be in charge - but it must be hard walking backwards PS The boats are still coming Tony
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Reply #5 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:44am

With so much at stake and the Liberals being half-arsed about their position on the matter, it would be foolish to not apply some political pressure.

The reality is that the Libs have yet to come to a definitive position on this issue. We all should be worried about the sucker punch.

The Coalition went to the polls with a policy of considering ISDS clauses when negotiating free trade agreements. Thanks to pressure from the more independent news agencies the Libs have been forced to clarify their position somewhat. If we keep going they might rule it out categorically.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Common sense may prevail. Reply #6 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:54am Theres more backflips and somersaults than Circus Soleil coming from the neo cons. Guess what...the sky never was falling in
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Common sense may prevail. Reply #7 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:55am It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump. What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods?
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Reply #8 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06am

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:55am:

It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump.

What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods?

They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that.

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Reply #9 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:06pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:44am:

With so much at stake and the Liberals being half-arsed about their position on the matter, it would be foolish to not apply some political pressure.

The reality is that the Libs have yet to come to a definitive position on this issue. We all should be worried about the sucker punch.

The Coalition went to the polls with a policy of considering ISDS clauses when negotiating free trade agreements. Thanks to pressure from the more independent news agencies the Libs have been forced to clarify their position somewhat. If we keep going they might rule it out categorically.

So number 3 it is

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Reply #10 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:09pm

Bam wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:55am:

It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump.

What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods?

They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that.

You are partly right.

I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74740 Gender:	Re: Common sense may prevail. Reply #11 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:16pm Good on Tony ... but I'm waiting until the decision is final ... with all his backflips I'm surprised Tony can walk.
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Reply #12 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:11pm

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:44am:

With so much at stake and the Liberals being half-arsed about their position on the matter, it would be foolish to not apply some political pressure.

The reality is that the Libs have yet to come to a definitive position on this issue. We all should be worried about the sucker punch.

The Coalition went to the polls with a policy of considering ISDS clauses when negotiating free trade agreements. Thanks to pressure from the more independent news agencies the Libs have been forced to clarify their position somewhat. If we keep going they might rule it out categorically.

So number 3 it is

Fallacy of composition, progs. Every little bit helps.

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Reply #13 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:16pm

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:55am:

It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump.

What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods?

They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that.

You are partly right.

I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position.

We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others.

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Reply #14 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:18pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:11pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:44am:

With so much at stake and the Liberals being half-arsed about their position on the matter, it would be foolish to not apply some political pressure.

The reality is that the Libs have yet to come to a definitive position on this issue. We all should be worried about the sucker punch.

The Coalition went to the polls with a policy of considering ISDS clauses when negotiating free trade agreements. Thanks to pressure from the more independent news agencies the Libs have been forced to clarify their position somewhat. If we keep going they might rule it out categorically.

So number 3 it is

Fallacy of composition, progs. Every little bit helps.

That it can and does, but I wouldnt overstate its impact.

This is how liberals work. They will not allow themselves to be drawn to a position until they have had the opportunity to look at the ins and outs, the good the bad and of course, the voters discourse to a degree.

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