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Reply #15 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:57pm

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:18pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:11pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:44am:

With so much at stake and the Liberals being half-arsed about their position on the matter, it would be foolish to not apply some political pressure.

The reality is that the Libs have yet to come to a definitive position on this issue. We all should be worried about the sucker punch.

The Coalition went to the polls with a policy of considering ISDS clauses when negotiating free trade agreements. Thanks to pressure from the more independent news agencies the Libs have been forced to clarify their position somewhat. If we keep going they might rule it out categorically.

So number 3 it is

Fallacy of composition, progs. Every little bit helps.

That it can and does, but I wouldnt overstate its impact.

This is how liberals work. They will not allow themselves to be drawn to a position until they have had the opportunity to look at the ins and outs

, the good the bad and of course, the voters discourse to a degree.

As an example of that - would you like to buy a leaky indon fishing boat? We have looked at the ins and outs, and it is good policy - highly recommended to the voters

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Re: Common sense may prevail.
Reply #16 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:00pm

Vic wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:57pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:18pm:

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This is how liberals work. They will not allow themselves to be drawn to a position until they have had the opportunity to look at the ins and outs

, the good the bad and of course, the voters discourse to a degree.

As an example of that - would you like to buy a leaky indon fishing boat? We have looked at the ins and outs, and it is good policy - highly recommended to the voters

Then again: Tony Abbott says Direct Action needs no modelling Quote:

Tony Abbott has said the Coalition intends to "have a crack" at implementing its Direct Action climate policy, rather than model whether it will work, ...

Abbott believes in it, so there's no need to look at the ins and outs.

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Re: Common sense may prevail.
Reply #17 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:03pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:55am:

It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump.

What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods?

They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that.

You are partly right.

I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position.

We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others.

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Reply #18 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:05pm

# wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Vic wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:57pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:18pm:

...

This is how liberals work. They will not allow themselves to be drawn to a position until they have had the opportunity to look at the ins and outs

, the good the bad and of course, the voters discourse to a degree.

As an example of that - would you like to buy a leaky indon fishing boat? We have looked at the ins and outs, and it is good policy - highly recommended to the voters

Then again: Tony Abbott says Direct Action needs no modelling Quote:

Tony Abbott has said the Coalition intends to "have a crack" at implementing its Direct Action climate policy, rather than model whether it will work, ...

Abbott believes in it, so there's no need to look at the ins and outs.

Exactly..the Coalition have had a carbon reduction policy ever since the 2007 election and all major parties accept the science and have the same reductions targets. The only skeptics these days are either brain damaged fools or profit from digging up and burning fossil fuels.

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Reply #19 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:12pm

adelcrow wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:05pm:

# wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Vic wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:57pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:18pm:

...

This is how liberals work. They will not allow themselves to be drawn to a position until they have had the opportunity to look at the ins and outs

, the good the bad and of course, the voters discourse to a degree.

As an example of that - would you like to buy a leaky indon fishing boat? We have looked at the ins and outs, and it is good policy - highly recommended to the voters

Then again: Tony Abbott says Direct Action needs no modelling Quote:

Tony Abbott has said the Coalition intends to "have a crack" at implementing its Direct Action climate policy, rather than model whether it will work, ...

Abbott believes in it, so there's no need to look at the ins and outs.

Exactly..the Coalition have had a carbon reduction policy ever since the 2007 election ...

John Howard had a policy that might actually have worked. Tony Abbott intends to implement, without examination, a policy that, according to three studies that I know of is unlikely to work and is probably underfunded (in the unlikely event that it started to work).

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Re: Common sense may prevail.
Reply #20 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:23pm

Vic wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:57pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:18pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:11pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:44am:

With so much at stake and the Liberals being half-arsed about their position on the matter, it would be foolish to not apply some political pressure.

The reality is that the Libs have yet to come to a definitive position on this issue. We all should be worried about the sucker punch.

The Coalition went to the polls with a policy of considering ISDS clauses when negotiating free trade agreements. Thanks to pressure from the more independent news agencies the Libs have been forced to clarify their position somewhat. If we keep going they might rule it out categorically.

So number 3 it is

Fallacy of composition, progs. Every little bit helps.

That it can and does, but I wouldnt overstate its impact.

This is how liberals work. They will not allow themselves to be drawn to a position until they have had the opportunity to look at the ins and outs

, the good the bad and of course, the voters discourse to a degree.

As an example of that - would you like to buy a leaky indon fishing boat? We have looked at the ins and outs, and it is good policy - highly recommended to the voters

I dont seem to recall saying that every policy will be good policy even when you do the thinking instead of policy on the run like labor.

But atleast ill have the confidence that it is well thought policy so I can make up my mind against their explanation.

Labors policies are dead easy just to say 'you didnt think of the consequences did you' lol too easy to say throw it in the bin to labor policy.

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Reply #21 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:26pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:55am:

It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump.

What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods?

They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that.

You are partly right.

I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position.

We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others.

The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position.

Grin

The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness.

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Reply #22 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:44pm

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:55am:

It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump.

What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods?

They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that.

You are partly right.

I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position.

We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others.

The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position.

Grin

The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness.

funny how when labor were in government your mind was shut behind a nuclear bomb proof door ...... now, all of a sudden you are the enlightened one???? Grin

Keep it up progs, at least now I can now spend my time laughing at the libs.

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Reply #24 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:13pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:55am:

It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump.

What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods?

They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that.

You are partly right.

I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position.

We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others.

The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position.

Grin

The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness.

funny how when labor were in government your mind was shut behind a nuclear bomb proof door ...... now, all of a sudden you are the enlightened one???? Grin

Keep it up progs, at least now I can now spend my time laughing at the libs.

You say that because you are closed minded. You dont listen. There was lenty of times I explained my position and wy I couldnt wait for labor to be wiped off them. To which I got my wish.

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Reply #25 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:58pm:

Getting a bit desperate trying to find stuff to criticise Abbott? So desperate that you are not even considering an action or decision but rather a choice to CONSIDER the issue.

I have a point of view, longy. The Coalition is considering ceding our sovereignty to opaque international forums that we have no control over. I find the concept treasonous. There is no point agitating against ISDS clauses once the treaty has been signed.

If the government of the day wants to cede our democratic power they should have the guts and courtesy to do it in an open and transparent manner.

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Reply #26 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:30pm

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:55am:

It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump.

What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods?

They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that.

You are partly right.

I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position.

We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others.

The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position.

Grin

The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness.

funny how when labor were in government your mind was shut behind a nuclear bomb proof door ...... now, all of a sudden you are the enlightened one???? Grin

Keep it up progs, at least now I can now spend my time laughing at the libs.

You say that because you are closed minded. You dont listen. There was lenty of times I explained my position and wy I couldnt wait for labor to be wiped off them. To which I got my wish.

rubbish, I did listen, I just didn't agree with what you were saying , after all, you were wrong on almost every single occasion

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Reply #27 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:43pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:58pm:

Getting a bit desperate trying to find stuff to criticise Abbott? So desperate that you are not even considering an action or decision but rather a choice to CONSIDER the issue.

I have a point of view, longy. The Coalition is considering ceding our sovereignty to opaque international forums that we have no control over. I find the concept treasonous. There is no point agitating against ISDS clauses once the treaty has been signed.

If the government of the day wants to cede our democratic power they should have the guts and courtesy to do it in an open and transparent manner.

that is a little hysterical... not, it is a LOT hysterical. I don't agree with it either but just on case you haven't read properly, the Libs don't necessarily agree with it either. they are simply CONSIDERING the issue aka thinking about it. I know it has been 6 years since we had any policy that was actually well-considered so perhaps you don't really recognise the concept when you see it.

how about saving your faux-angst for and ACTUAL DECISION and an ACTUAL EVENT instead of suffering from premature outrage as you do.

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Reply #28 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:43pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:58pm:

Getting a bit desperate trying to find stuff to criticise Abbott? So desperate that you are not even considering an action or decision but rather a choice to CONSIDER the issue.

I have a point of view, longy. The Coalition is considering ceding our sovereignty to opaque international forums that we have no control over. I find the concept treasonous. There is no point agitating against ISDS clauses once the treaty has been signed.

If the government of the day wants to cede our democratic power they should have the guts and courtesy to do it in an open and transparent manner.

that is a little hysterical... not, it is a LOT hysterical. I don't agree with it either but just on case you haven't read properly, the Libs don't necessarily agree with it either. they are simply CONSIDERING the issue aka thinking about it. I know it has been 6 years since we had any policy that was actually well-considered so perhaps you don't really recognise the concept when you see it.

how about saving your faux-angst for and ACTUAL DECISION and an ACTUAL EVENT instead of suffering from premature outrage as you do.

Prevention is always better than the cure, longy.

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Reply #29 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:35pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:30pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 6:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 5:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 3:03pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 1:16pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 8:06am:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:55am:

It has not gone unnoticed that Tony's fanbois are reluctant to state a position on this issue. I guess, like the rest of us, they're worried which way the mad bugger might jump.

What's your stance on this issue, progs and cods?

They won't have one until the Coalition announces theirs. You know that.

You are partly right.

I am confident the libs will do a thourough thought through the issues. When they announce their position and if different to mine, I will take on board their position and see if their explanation sways my position.

We gathered that, progs. Just another example of you outsourcing your thinking to others.

The 2 dopies letting everyone know that they have closed minds. They just dont know what to do with someone who says they will make judgement after getting all the facts and waiting for an explanation of a parties position.

Grin

The cornerstone of lefty existance. Closed mindedness.

funny how when labor were in government your mind was shut behind a nuclear bomb proof door ...... now, all of a sudden you are the enlightened one???? Grin

Keep it up progs, at least now I can now spend my time laughing at the libs.

You say that because you are closed minded. You dont listen. There was lenty of times I explained my position and wy I couldnt wait for labor to be wiped off them. To which I got my wish.

rubbish, I did listen, I just didn't agree with what you were saying , after all, you were wrong on almost every single occasion

Yeh I only had to be right on one didnt I. Labor got their wosrt primary result for 100 years. Lol what a guess they would have their azz handed to them while u actually thought they would do well

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