Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 8:19pm:


Matthew 7:3 is not a 'get out of jail free' for all arseholes, or even all comers. It is an injunction for people of the SAME moral framework, the same community.
So it is not a call to accommodate Muslim jihad which falls outside all shared or decent moral frameworks at the time of Matthew 7:3 or since.

Matthew 7:3 is not a call to accommodate every murderous teaching of Islam.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 9:50pm:


Ah.

And all moslems then ?


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re.....
Matthew 7:3......'is an admonishment against hubris.'


Dictionary;
hubris = = excessive pride or self-confidence.


"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110


And it is ONLY the infidels, who are the are perverted the transgressors.

Honest !!!          

So ISLAMIC doctrine declares, that;
A devout moslem, can NEVER, EVER, be a guilty wrongdoer in the eyes of Allah [so long as the moslem obeys Sharia!].





Now Brian,

You speak of hubris.

But the obvious hubris of moslems, goes completely over your head ?

And without any criticism ?

e.g.





Brian,

I ask you, what could instil pride in an individual more, than a philosophy which declares;

'You moslems, are the best of peoples evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong.
And oh, by the way, all conduct is lawful to you, so long as it is conduct permitted by Sharia law.
[which includes the enslavement, rape, and murder of your enemies]'

???

Hubris and bigotry are 'brothers', you say ?

e.g.
Allah's law IS VERY CLEAR.




Whereas, a moslem is justified [by their deity], in murdering infidels, because, the infidels, are not moslems.




Brian,

And you do not see this bigotry, in a philosophy, which permits [which makes 'lawful'], such despicable conduct towards fellow human beings ?

Well, you are not alone, brian.

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:


You can demonstrate scientifically that all Muslims suffer from hubris, Yadda or is this merely another example of your bigotry?   

I look forward to you producing this proof, Yadda.   

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 5:43pm:


brian,

It is true, that some men within the Christian church, took that authority to themselves.

But that authority [to murder people who do not believe as they believe] never came from Jesus the man, or from God the spirit.



Matthew 20:25
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26  But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27  And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:


Matthew 23:3
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4  For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5  But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6  And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7  And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8  But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9  And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10  Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11  But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12  And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.


John 16:2
They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3  And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.i

Quote:


Already, he is being made subject to SATAN, and is bowing down towards Mecca, in worship to what ?

He is being taught to worship a black rock, an idol, situated in Mecca ?





does Islam equate sex and rape?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1330935607/81#81
Quote:



iChristian Army Mutilates Civilians
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1314097200/28#28
Quote:

Yadda wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:06am:


Really?  Forgotten Deuteronomy 17:12, Yadda?

What about Exodus 22:17?  Leviticus 20:13?  Leviticus 20:27?  Leviticus 20:10?  Leviticus 21:9?  Exodus 22:19?  2 Chronicles 15:12-13?  Deuteronomy 13:13-19?  Deuteronomy 13:7-12?


Christians believe the Bible is divinely inspired.  Therefore, the admonishment in those verses to kill, must have come from God, according to Christian belief, Yadda.   

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 11:39pm:





SIMPLE!

Ask any devout moslem;

Q. #1,
"Who are are the rightly guided people?"

AND;

Q. #2,
"Are there any rightly guided people among those who are not moslems?"




If the moslem is being candid;

If you ask those questions 1,001 times, the reply 1,001 times will be for Q. #1, "Moslems"

And the reply 1,001 times will be for Q. #2, "No. Only moslems are the rightly guided people!"



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brian,

What about Christian hubris, you ask ?

God our father, only requires flawed sinners to turn and seek him.

God even welcomes the flawed, repentant, ex-moslem.




1 Corinthians 1:26
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
......
28  And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:



Jesus said;
Luke 5:32
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Yadda wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:35am:


So, you admit that you don't have the proof, Yadda?  You have done no actual questioning but you are presuming what you believe to be true.

That is prejudice, Yadda.   You do realise that?   

UnderTheMilkyWay wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:38am:



Yes UnderTheMilkyWay,

I have absolutely no credibility among ppl such as yourself.

Is that because your 'sympathies' lie with the ISLAMISTS ?






You accuse me of.....

"Copying and pasting "quotes" from the Qur'an, without context"

UnderTheMilkyWay,

Please give me one of my own Koran quotes, and i will demonstrate to you, and to everyone else [by posting the surrounding verses], that the Koran [usually] DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY CONTEXT RELATING TO ITS VERSES.

But in any case.......iUnderTheMilkyWay,

All i can say, is that your ignorance about the perfection of Allah Koran is apparent to all!



UnderTheMilkyWay,

I do not require a PhD in Islamic law.

And if you knew anything about the Koran, at all, you would know that.



EXPLANATION;
Allah declares , IN THE KORAN ITSELF, that the words in the Koran are clear [perspicuous!!], and therefore those words in the Koran verses, clear-ly mean, what a rational person understands the Koran texts mean.


as per....

012.001
YUSUFALI: A.L.R. These are the symbols (or Verses) of the perspicuous Book.
PICKTHAL: Alif. Lam. Ra. These are verse of the Scripture that maketh plain.
SHAKIR: Alif Lam Ra. These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) manifest.




Dictionary;
perspicuous = =
1 (of an account or representation) clearly expressed and easily understood; lucid.
2 (of a person) expressing things clearly.


026.002
YUSUFALI: These are verses of the Book that makes (things) clear.
PICKTHAL: These are revelations of the Scripture that maketh plain.
SHAKIR: These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) clear.




See!!!!!

Allah, made the Koran clear for everyone, so that even i could understand what its words mean!