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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems Reply #210 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 3:10pm Ezy Va wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 2:05pm: We are all brothers if we do open our hearts! You realise that is impossible for Soren, Freediver, Yadda, Grendel, etc.?
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Reply #211 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 11:15pm

Soren wrote on Nov 10^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 10^th, 2013 at 11:32am:

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2. Fear and/or dislike f something is not persecuting it. Having a negative opinion of Islam is not religious persecution. We don't have to like it, you know.

Fear and/or loathing (lets use the word you used) is your rationale for your continued persecution of Muslims, Soren. That is irrational. That is Islamophobia.

I did not use the word loathing - wouldn't want to be as derivative as to nod towards Thompson and gonzo journalism.

You're right, you didn't. I Unreservedly apologise, Soren.

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Anyway, I do not see anything irrational in being fearful of Islam.

More rational people than you would differ. There is nothing to fear from a religion, Soren, unless you are irrational or paranoid. Are you either or both?

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People IN THE WEST are murdered and roughed up and harassed if they draw a cartoon, make a video, write a book, translate a book, make a speech that doesn't accept Islam's claims about itself.

Yes they are. Is that the fault of the religion or is it the fault of some of it's followers who refuse to enter into the 21st century? You blame every Muslim for the acts of a few, Soren.

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And in the 'Muslim lands' they blow up each other every day because of ever so slight differences in view about Islam.

Yes they do. Rather as did the Catholics and the Protestants in Belfast. However, I suspect you'd never blame Christianity for that! Roll Eyes

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To say that there is nothing to be afraid of is pathological. To say that these things are not causes of fear is pathological.

If I said 'I dislike all religion' you'd be cool with that. When I say I dislike a particular religion, you are all over the shop about bigotry, racism, vilification and all that over-invested puffery that is your speciality.

Yes. If you hate all religions equally, then you are being even-handed, Soren. Obviously if you only hate one, you're not. Simple really. That you persecute Muslims for their beliefs indicates a hatred that is irrational.

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I don't have to like Islam. As a freeborn man, I can say that.

Yes you can but do you have to keep repeating it so volubly and more often than not, so viciously?

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Who the bugger are you to tell me what I have to like and respect?

I'm not. You must merely tolerate it, Soren. Just as we must tolerate you and your opinions.

I wonder though, if your need to continually repeat your fear and dislike so much indicates uncertainty on your part? Roll Eyes

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Reply #212 - Nov 13^th, 2013 at 2:37pm

Got nothin' I see bwian... just trying to gum up the works with your vilifying individuals and moralising again.

Come on bwain surely you can do better than that?

How do you accomodate a religion which expects all to submit to the will of their God? All to become Muslim?
Do we all become spineless apologetics and dhimmis perhaps, and/or pay jizya/tax... protection money... Roll Eyes

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Reply #213 - Nov 13^th, 2013 at 9:07pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Got nothin' I see bwian... just trying to gum up the works with your vilifying individuals and moralising again.

Come on bwain surely you can do better than that?

How do you accomodate a religion which expects all to submit to the will of their God? All to become Muslim?
Do we all become spineless apologetics and dhimmis perhaps, and/or pay jizya/tax... protection money... Roll Eyes

They are already accommodated and established.

Muslims are increasing in Australia.There building schools, mosques, establishing businesses, going to uni.

In one night muslim organisations can fundraise up to 1 million dollars to build a new Islamic centre, mosque, school or special projects.

Only a imbicile would start a heading like that.

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Reply #214 - Nov 14^th, 2013 at 12:49am

Grendel wrote on Nov 13^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

How do you accomodate a religion which expects all to submit to the will of their God? All to become Muslim?

There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever rejects oppressive falsehood, and believes in God, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And God is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
- the Quran, al-Baqarah, v.256

Say: "O Deniers [of monotheistic faith]; I am not worshipping [false gods] that you worship; And you are not worshipping [God Almighty] that I worship; And I will not worship [false gods] that you are worshipping; And you are not worshipping [God Almighty] that I worship; Then to you be your religion [polytheism], and to me be my religion [Islamic Monotheism]."
- the Quran, al-Kaafiroon

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems Reply #215 - Nov 14^th, 2013 at 10:02am Really then please explain why Muslims conquests involved killing mostly everyone who refused to convert, killing apostates, etc, etc, etc... Oi FD.... I tried posting some images to back up my claims and guess what... your site wont let me... please explain.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems Reply #216 - Nov 14^th, 2013 at 10:05am
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems Reply #217 - Nov 14^th, 2013 at 3:27pm Study at the Yadda School of Trolling now?
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Reply #218 - Nov 14^th, 2013 at 10:50pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

http://images.sp@m.com/polls/003941159/932840828_behead_those_who_insult_islam_l...

The reason why the image doesn't display is rather obvious really - if you look at the URL it contains the at symbol - "@". The BB software obviously believes it's an email address, Beowulf. I'd recommend using a hosting image site, such as Image Shack which will translate the mangled URL into something sensible which the BB software will accept.

However, resorting to silly pictures is of course not a replacement for the debate you claim you crave so much, now is it. Particularly when the image is posted without commentary or even a caption. Roll Eyes

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Reply #219 - Nov 15^th, 2013 at 9:26am

A picture is worth a thousand words bwian I already made my claim... I was posting evidence you could see instead of read and deny.

Oh and I wouldn't be sure the @ symbol was the cause since I used various sources, but thanks I'll double check.

Well there you go for some reason s o d a h e a d is changed to sp@m.... so the url address that was posted was changed somehow... fd?

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Reply #220 - Nov 24^th, 2013 at 9:47am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 10^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Anyway, I do not see anything irrational in being fearful of Islam.

More rational people than you would differ. There is nothing to fear from a religion, Soren, unless you are irrational or paranoid. Are you either or both?

I am not afraid of the of private, devotional aspects of Islam.

I am afraid of its political, legal, social design on the world.

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Reply #221 - Nov 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am

True Colours wrote on Nov 14^th, 2013 at 12:49am:

There is no compulsion in religion.

That's right - you can choose to remain a second-class citizen, a dhimmi, and pay for the privilege. No compulsion in religion does not mean religious freedom.

This is the sleight of hand Muslims use every time thy trot out this little gem.

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Reply #222 - Nov 24^th, 2013 at 1:32pm

Soren wrote on Nov 24^th, 2013 at 9:47am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 10^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Anyway, I do not see anything irrational in being fearful of Islam.

More rational people than you would differ. There is nothing to fear from a religion, Soren, unless you are irrational or paranoid. Are you either or both?

I am not afraid of the of private, devotional aspects of Islam.

I am afraid of its political, legal, social design on the world.

Well I guess that is just proof of what an idiot bwian is.
9/11, London, Spain, Bali, Jakarta, etc, etc, etc...

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Reply #223 - Nov 24^th, 2013 at 3:27pm

Soren wrote on Nov 24^th, 2013 at 9:47am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 10^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Anyway, I do not see anything irrational in being fearful of Islam.

More rational people than you would differ. There is nothing to fear from a religion, Soren, unless you are irrational or paranoid. Are you either or both?

I am not afraid of the of private, devotional aspects of Islam.

I am afraid of its political, legal, social design on the world.

Ah, so a religion made up by many, diverse and different sects, denominations, and individual beliefs now has a coherent, unified "political, legal, social design on the world"? Soren, your paranoia appears to know no bounds. Roll Eyes

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Reply #224 - Nov 24^th, 2013 at 3:28pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 24^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 24^th, 2013 at 9:47am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 11^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 10^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Anyway, I do not see anything irrational in being fearful of Islam.

More rational people than you would differ. There is nothing to fear from a religion, Soren, unless you are irrational or paranoid. Are you either or both?

I am not afraid of the of private, devotional aspects of Islam.

I am afraid of its political, legal, social design on the world.

Well I guess that is just proof of what an idiot bwian is.
9/11, London, Spain, Bali, Jakarta, etc, etc, etc...

All deranged individuals and groups whom cannot claim to represent what the majority, mainstream views of Muslims are, Beowulf. It's like suggesting you and Soren represent what the majority of Australians believe! Grin

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