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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #30 - Sep 30^th, 2013 at 1:38am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:50am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:35am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 11:39pm:

You can demonstrate scientifically that all Muslims suffer from hubris, Yadda or is this merely another example of your bigotry? Roll Eyes

I look forward to you producing this proof, Yadda. Roll Eyes

SIMPLE!

Ask any devout moslem;

Q. #1,
"Who are are the rightly guided people?"

AND;

Q. #2,
"Are there any rightly guided people among those who are not moslems?"

If the moslem is being candid;

If you ask those questions 1,001 times, the reply 1,001 times will be for Q. #1, "Moslems"

And the reply 1,001 times will be for Q. #2, "No. Only moslems are the rightly guided people!"

So, you admit that you don't have the proof, Yadda? You have done no actual questioning but you are presuming what you believe to be true.

That is prejudice, Yadda. You do realise that? Roll Eyes

Brian,

I do not accept your proposition that i am 'prejudiced',
1/ in asking a moslem to describe the perfection which moslems achieve, through their devotion to ISLAM,
2/ and in my expecting a moslem to modestly attest to his perfection.

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #31 - Sep 30^th, 2013 at 10:04am

Yadda wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:59am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:25am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:06am:

It is true, that some men within the Christian church, took that authority to themselves.

But that authority [to murder people who do not believe as they believe] never came from Jesus the man, or from God the spirit.

Really?

Forgotten Deuteronomy 17:12, Yadda?

What about Exodus 22:17? Leviticus 20:13? Leviticus 20:27? Leviticus 20:10? Leviticus 21:9? Exodus 22:19? 2 Chronicles 15:12-13? Deuteronomy 13:13-19? Deuteronomy 13:7-12?

Christians believe the Bible is divinely inspired. Therefore, the admonishment in those verses to kill, must have come from God, according to Christian belief, Yadda. Roll Eyes

brian,

A common error [on your part], again, due to ignorant assumption on your part.

Really? What you claim goes against an awful lot of Christian belief and teaching, Yadda. I must assume that you're either lying, distorting the inconvenient truth or just plain ignorant. Which is it? Roll Eyes

Over 2,000 years of Christian belief, flushed down the toilet by our friend Yadda. Tsk, tsk, you appear only too willing to trash your own religion, that is if you're really a Christian? Doubts persist.

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #32 - Sep 30^th, 2013 at 10:08am

Yadda wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 1:38am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:50am:

So, you admit that you don't have the proof, Yadda? You have done no actual questioning but you are presuming what you believe to be true.

That is prejudice, Yadda. You do realise that? Roll Eyes

Brian,

I do not accept your proposition that i am 'prejudiced',

No surprise there, then. Roll Eyes

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1/ in asking a moslem to describe the perfection which moslems achieve, through their devotion to ISLAM,
2/ and in my expecting a moslem to modestly attest to his perfection.

You haven't actually done that on any statistically valid sample, have you, Yadda, by your own admission. Therefore, you have no proof, as I ask you for. Therefore your claims are based on prejudice, not proof.

I know fundamentalist Christians reject science but out here in the real world, the rest of us don't.

Until you produce proof to back your claim that all Muslims suffer from Hubris, I think we'll just file this in the round filing cabinet on our desktops, Yadda, along with most of the rest of your claims about Muslims and Islam.

Still waiting BTW on your proof that it is illegal to worship Satan or an Idol in Mecca. Afterall, that was the basis of your claim that "all Muslims are criminals". Roll Eyes

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40700 Gender:	Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems Reply #33 - Sep 30^th, 2013 at 10:49am Quote: .......The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems..... futility, I'ld put it more at ..........'self-harm, self-loating".
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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #34 - Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Still waiting BTW on your proof that it is illegal to worship Satan or an Idol in Mecca.

Afterall, that was the basis of your claim that "all Muslims are criminals".

brian,

No it is not.

The above supposition, is one which was 'created' in your own mind, brian.

[Re-read your own post #24, brian.]

In post #21,
I was commenting on the situation of the child within the image, that you presented.

I was commenting on the fact that it was apparent [in the image] that moslems were bringing their children into subjection to SATAN and teaching their children to bow down and to worship/venerate a black rock in Mecca.

In post #21, i did not suggest OR MENTION ANY criminality [by our laws], for moslems choosing to bow down and to worship/venerate a black rock in Mecca.

I did not suggest that, in my post #21

The specific argument i made, that "all Muslims are criminals", i made in post #4 and again in post #8 [the main argument was made within quote blocks].

But you chose not to refer to those arguments, nor, did you try to refute them.

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #35 - Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 10:04am:

Really? What you claim goes against an awful lot of Christian belief and teaching, Yadda.

I must assume that you're either lying, distorting the inconvenient truth or just plain ignorant. Which is it?

Over 2,000 years of Christian belief, flushed down the toilet by our friend Yadda. Tsk, tsk, you appear only too willing to trash your own religion, that is if you're really a Christian? Doubts persist.

brian,

I am not responsible for what you, or anyone else, chooses to believe.

We are instructed to search out the truth for ourselves.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

brian,

Why do professing Christians open and read their bible, so rarely 'today' ?

IMO, many of professing Christians have been strangled by their cares the world.

Matthew 13:3
And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
....
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

If some chose to believe that the OT laws gave an authority from God [to those charged by God], to murder persons who were not in covenant with God, then they were mistaken.

And if we were to act upon that mistaken belief, then the responsibility for the murders we commit, we must answer for.

".....I must assume that you're either lying, distorting the inconvenient truth or just plain ignorant. Which is it?"

God's OT law is quite clear.....

.....for anyone with eyes to see, brian

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

n.b.
.....and thou shalt love him as thyself

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger:
for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems Reply #36 - Sep 30^th, 2013 at 1:26pm Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 10:08am: Still waiting BTW on your proof that it is illegal to worship Satan or an Idol in Mecca. Are you trying to suggest that it is legal and OK?
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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #38 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 11:49am

Yadda wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Still waiting BTW on your proof that it is illegal to worship Satan or an Idol in Mecca.

Afterall, that was the basis of your claim that "all Muslims are criminals".

brian,

No it is not.

The above supposition, is one which was 'created' in your own mind, brian.

[Re-read your own post #24, brian.]
In post #21,
I was commenting on the situation of the child within the image, that you presented.

I was commenting on the fact that it was apparent [in the image] that moslems were bringing their children into subjection to SATAN and teaching their children to bow down and to worship/venerate a black rock in Mecca.

You made that comment in direct reply to my question whether that child was a criminal, Yadda. I took it, quite sensibly to be the answer to that question. Now you're backpeddling and saying that wasn't what you mean, now that you have been unable to prove that it is illegal to either worship Satan or an Idol in Mecca.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. So, you were merely posting another prejudiced opinion about Muslims and Islam which was directly insulting to them and their religion?

How typical of you, Yadda. And if someone was to suggest that it is you who worship Satan, promoting his views and his love of mischief and strife? How wold you take it, I wonder?

Of course, I don't believe that 'cause I don't believe in Satan's existence. I think you're just a bigot. And you keep proving it with every post. If I was you, Yadda, I'd take your extreme Christian fundamentalism somewhere it's appreciated like Stormfront. Grin

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems Reply #39 - Oct 4^th, 2013 at 11:15am Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 11:49am: now that you have been unable to prove that it is illegal to either worship Satan or an Idol in Mecca. Non-Muslims are banned from Mecca. They are prohibited from entering Mecca. Koran 9:28. Geddit?
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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #40 - Oct 4^th, 2013 at 4:01pm

Soren wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 1:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Still waiting BTW on your proof that it is illegal to worship Satan or an Idol in Mecca.

Are you trying to suggest that it is legal and OK?

I am indifferent to it being OK or not, Soren. That is an individual choice. I am concerned about the issue of "criminality". Yadda made a claim that all Muslims are criminal and based his claim upon the worshiping of Satan and/or idols.

I have asked him repeatedly for proof of the legislation which has made either or both actions illegal. He has continued to squirm away from his original statement as he always does. Rather like you do, as well, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #41 - Oct 4^th, 2013 at 4:03pm

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2013 at 11:15am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 11:49am:

now that you have been unable to prove that it is illegal to either worship Satan or an Idol in Mecca.

Non-Muslims are banned from Mecca. They are prohibited from entering Mecca. Koran 9:28.

Geddit?

Nope. You'll have toe explain your reasoning, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #43 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2013 at 4:03pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2013 at 11:15am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 11:49am:

now that you have been unable to prove that it is illegal to either worship Satan or an Idol in Mecca.

Non-Muslims are banned from Mecca. They are prohibited from entering Mecca. Koran 9:28.

Geddit?

Nope. You'll have toe explain your reasoning, Soren. Roll Eyes

I just did, with text reference and picture. That you are too thick or too spineless to do anything but pretend to be too thick is something for you to deal with.

I have given you the info and the Koranic basis of it. I am not here to accommodate your shifty, cowardly spinelessness.

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #44 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 4:23pm

Soren wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2013 at 4:03pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2013 at 11:15am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 11:49am:

now that you have been unable to prove that it is illegal to either worship Satan or an Idol in Mecca.

Non-Muslims are banned from Mecca. They are prohibited from entering Mecca. Koran 9:28.

Geddit?

Nope. You'll have toe explain your reasoning, Soren. Roll Eyes

I just did, with text reference and picture. That you are too thick or too spineless to do anything but pretend to be too thick is something for you to deal with.

I have given you the info and the Koranic basis of it. I am not here to accommodate your shifty, cowardly spinelessness.

So, somehow, a road sign in Saudi Arabia explains how it is illegal in Australia to worship Satan or idols?

Soren, you have surpassed yourself! Your Islamophobia appears to know no bounds. Roll Eyes

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