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The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:35am

Describing the futility, of trying to accommodate a moslem community, within a non-moslem community, and [irrationally, imo] expecting to achieve a harmonious and healthy relationship between both communities.

Trying to 'accommodate' the members of a moslem community, within a larger non-moslem community, is, imo, the same as a non-moslem community trying to domesticate and accommodate a group of salt water crocodiles - among their own families and children.

It is a task which is fraught with indescribable dangers - for the non-moslem community, imo.

Why so ?

Because, imo, persons who self-declare as moslems are self-declaring, themselves, to be not 'nice' people, to be not peaceful people, are self-declaring, themselves, to be not tolerant, of those who are not moslems.

THE LOGICAL AND REASONING ARGUMENT, MUST ALWAYS BE;
Persons who self-declare as moslems, clearly, are persons who are dedicated to the tenets and laws of ISLAM.

And those tenets and laws of ISLAM seek to actively instil a 'righteous' [and a 'religious'] hostility, and the sense of a 'righteous' grievance, against all persons who are not moslems - BECAUSE, they are persons who are not moslems.

And that is why i say;
Trying to 'accommodate' the members of a moslem community, within a larger non-moslem community, is, imo, the same as a non-moslem community trying to domesticate and accommodate a group of salt water crocodiles - among their own families and children.

And, imo, it is an insane and irrational objective, for any non-moslem community, to try to accomplish this state of coexistence between the members of a moslem community, within a non-moslem community.

A PLEA TO REASON;
If there are those within our non-moslem community who would [still] seek to achieve this state of peaceful coexistence, with members of a moslem community, within a larger non-moslem community - i would ask that those non-moslems [who would argue for coexistence between those two communities] first try to seek out and to study and understand, what form of 'relationship' between a moslem and a non-moslem is MANDATED, within the tenets and laws of ISLAM.

All i can do is to appeal to the reason, of what i hope are a reasoning and a reasonable people [i.e. non-moslems].i+++

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028

"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends.....offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #1 - Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:42am

IF WE WILL SEARCH, JUST A LITTLE, IT IS NOT DIFFICULT FOR US TO DISCOVER, TO UNCOVER, WITHIN ISLAMIC TEXTS;

THE MANDATED NATURE OF THE 'RELATIONSHIP', WHICH MUST ALWAYS EXIST BETWEEN THE MOSLEM AND EVERY NON-MOSLEM;

AN EXAMPLE OF THE 'WORLDVIEW' WHICH 'MAINSTREAM' ISLAM TEACHES TO, AND INCULCATES WITHIN, EVERY MOSLEM;

Quote:

Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

Ishaq:231 - "Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."

And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - "Killing infidels is a small matter to us".

These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
...DDA

Google it.

n.b.

"Killing infidels is a small matter to us"

Mohammed - the prophet of the religion of peace dismembered body parts.

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If you want to learn some real facts about the objective nature of ISLAM, look here.....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

AND HERE....

Please watch this YT...

ISLAM - THREE THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OzxiHfWvBGw

AND HERE....

Please watch this YT... goto 4m 30s

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

AND HERE....

Please watch this YT... goto 45 secs

Mohamed Morsi-"The Koran is our constitution -The Prophet Muhammad is our leader Jihad is our path - AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #2 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 11:15pm

True Colours wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:44pm:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CoN-0dL6_hY/SNptMD53_MI/AAAAAAAAAU8/W6QDhlpk-fM/s400/p...

READ THE MESSAGE DISPLAYED IN THE IMAGE
This IMAGE reflects that moslems are offended,
because some US citizen is offended,
because Obama and all USA politicians are appeasing ISLAM and the moslem community in the USA [and this US citizen is expressing his civic 'concern' inappropriately].....

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IMAGE...

Which is scarier,
1/ That these moslems - at moslem street protests in Sydney, 2012 - fully believe that they have a lawful right to murder persons who are not moslems, because those persons who are not moslems, do not believe what moslems believe ?
OR,
2/ That Australian society, has invited [and continues to invite] moslems to this country, to live among us, AND, that Australian society gives moslems the right to vote for OUR LAWMAKERS?

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Google;

Shahadah

The Shahadah is the ISLAMIC declaration of faith [so as to become a moslem].

The Shahadah goes;

Quote:

“There is no god but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”

Longer versions are common, especially those beginning with “I bear witness” or “I testify,” e.g.:

“I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/10/what-is-shahada.html

It is not credible, imo, that a person declares himself to be a 'moslem', and that that person, a self declared moslem, is unaware that,
the fundamental tenets and laws of ISLAM, mandate a relationship of everlasting hatred and cultural enmity towards all persons who are not moslems.i
ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #3 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 11:59am

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:

True Colours wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:44pm:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CoN-0dL6_hY/SNptMD53_MI/AAAAAAAAAU8/W6QDhlpk-fM/s400/p...

READ THE MESSAGE DISPLAYED IN THE IMAGE
This IMAGE reflects that moslems are offended,
because some US citizen is offended,
because Obama and all USA politicians are appeasing ISLAM and the moslem community in the USA [and this US citizen is expressing his civic 'concern' inappropriately].....
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CoN-0dL6_hY/SNptMD53_MI/AAAAAAAAAU8/W6QDhlpk-fM/s400/p...

You really don't get the irony of what the image says, do you, Yadda?

You do know what "muslin" is, don't you?

Or are you as poorly educated as the person who scrawled it?

Muslims aren't offended by it, they like all educated people are mystified by it. Grin

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #4 - Sep 29^th, 2013 at 10:40am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:

True Colours wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:44pm:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CoN-0dL6_hY/SNptMD53_MI/AAAAAAAAAU8/W6QDhlpk-fM/s400/p...

READ THE MESSAGE DISPLAYED IN THE IMAGE
This IMAGE reflects that moslems are offended,
because some US citizen is offended,
because Obama and all USA politicians are appeasing ISLAM and the moslem community in the USA [and this US citizen is expressing his civic 'concern' inappropriately].....
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CoN-0dL6_hY/SNptMD53_MI/AAAAAAAAAU8/W6QDhlpk-fM/s400/p...

You really don't get the irony of what the image says, do you, Yadda?

You do know what "muslin" is, don't you?

Or are you as poorly educated as the person who scrawled it?

Muslims aren't offended by it, they like all educated people are mystified by it. Grin

Brian_Ross,

So your argument is that because people make typos on their protest placards, it is questionable as to whether they are worthy to vote ???

Whereas, the moslems at the moslem street protests in Sydney, 2012 - who are promoting the murder of persons who do not believe what they believe - could perhaps be 'more' eligible to vote, in a country like Australia [because those moslems did not make typos on their protest placards] ?

IMAGE...

The right to vote, should be reserved for persons who have demonstrated that they are educated people [note; no typos in their protest placards].

Brian_Ross,

I do believe [it is my opinion] that moslems, or other criminals, should NOT have an automatic right to vote for OUR LAWMAKERS, simply because they are resident in Australia.

Q.
Why shouldn't any moslem have the right to elect lawmakers, in any society which has chosen to embrace and maintain pluralism in society ?

A.
Because a moslem is a person who them self, choose to embrace and to promotes the [violent and intolerant] tenets and laws of ISLAM. And because, ISLAM is a political philosophy which is violently intolerant of any and every political view which does not align with the political views which are expressed by ISLAM and its tenets and laws - which is demonstrated, by the behaviour of moslems, wherever they go in the world;

"I absolutely insist that freedom of expression must be banned!"

MOSLEMS = = mentally incompetent, un-reasoning, and an un-reasonable, human beings.

To give such people [moslems] the right to vote for OUR LAWMAKERS, in a country like Australia, is imo, an act of insanity.

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Yadda.....

".....moslems, or other criminals,"

???

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Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 1:47pm:

From what i know, from my study, of ISLAM's own texts, and doctrines, i would confidently make this statement;

Every good moslem in Australia [and indeed, every good moslem on the planet], by **self declaring** as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

Every moslem!

Every non-moslem should be aware and recognise, that ISLAM is in fact, a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against ALL non-moslems ['unbelievers'].

And in my estimation, every good moslem **does understand** what his/her **religious** OBLIGATION is, to ISLAM, and to fellow moslems.

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #5 - Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:02pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:

True Colours wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:44pm:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CoN-0dL6_hY/SNptMD53_MI/AAAAAAAAAU8/W6QDhlpk-fM/s400/p...

READ THE MESSAGE DISPLAYED IN THE IMAGE
This IMAGE reflects that moslems are offended,
because some US citizen is offended,
because Obama and all USA politicians are appeasing ISLAM and the moslem community in the USA [and this US citizen is expressing his civic 'concern' inappropriately].....
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CoN-0dL6_hY/SNptMD53_MI/AAAAAAAAAU8/W6QDhlpk-fM/s400/p...

You really don't get the irony of what the image says, do you, Yadda?

You do know what "muslin" is, don't you?

Or are you as poorly educated as the person who scrawled it?

Muslims aren't offended by it, they like all educated people are mystified by it. Grin

Brian_Ross,

So your argument is that because people make typos on their protest placards, it is questionable as to whether they are worthy to vote ???

Yes. One would prefer an educated electorate over an uneducated one, Yadda. You're a perfect example, actually, who prefers faith over knowledge. Roll Eyes

Quote:

Whereas, the moslems at the moslem street protests in Sydney, 2012 - who are promoting the murder of persons who do not believe what they believe - could perhaps be 'more' eligible to vote, in a country like Australia [because those moslems did not make typos on their protest placards] ?

I never claimed all Muslims are well-educated, Yadda. I would expect that in many of their cases, English is a second language, so they may be excused to some degree. The American who scrawled that original placard doesn't have that excuse. He's just badly educated.
Quote:

Brian_Ross,

I do believe [it is my opinion] that moslems, or other criminals, should NOT have an automatic right to vote for OUR LAWMAKERS, simply because they are resident in Australia.

"or other criminals". So you believe all Muslims are criminals, Yadda?

And of course, you're not prejudiced, are you? Bigot. Roll Eyes

As for Muslims and their views on Pluralism, perhaps you don't detect the irony of you attacking them, do you? Roll Eyes

"Islamic Extremism is to Islam as Yadda is to Christianity". Care to discuss that? Wink

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #6 - Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:

True Colours wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:44pm:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CoN-0dL6_hY/SNptMD53_MI/AAAAAAAAAU8/W6QDhlpk-fM/s400/p...

READ THE MESSAGE DISPLAYED IN THE IMAGE
This IMAGE reflects that moslems are offended,
because some US citizen is offended,
because Obama and all USA politicians are appeasing ISLAM and the moslem community in the USA [and this US citizen is expressing his civic 'concern' inappropriately].....
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CoN-0dL6_hY/SNptMD53_MI/AAAAAAAAAU8/W6QDhlpk-fM/s400/p...

You really don't get the irony of what the image says, do you, Yadda?

You do know what "muslin" is, don't you?

Or are you as poorly educated as the person who scrawled it?

Muslims aren't offended by it, they like all educated people are mystified by it. Grin

Brian_Ross,

So your argument is that because people make typos on their protest placards, it is questionable as to whether they are worthy to vote ???

Yes. One would prefer an educated electorate over an uneducated one, Yadda.

You're a perfect example, actually, who prefers faith over knowledge. Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

That is your opinion.

If i seek what is true, is the 'faith' that i hold absolutely certain ?

No.

Whereas, a rationalist like yourself, can choose to ignore what is patently true [e.g. about ISLAM], if it offends your 'common sense'.

Correct brian ?

e.g.
The contents of ISLAM's foundation texts can have little or no bearing upon the tenets and laws of ISLAM [and what it means, to be a moslem in the modern world], so lets pretend that the contents of ISLAM's foundation texts are merely 'ancient manuscripts'.

Correct brian ?

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #7 - Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

I never claimed all Muslims are well-educated, Yadda. I would expect that in many of their cases, English is a second language, so they may be excused to some degree.

The American who scrawled that original placard doesn't have that excuse.

He's just badly educated.

Brian,

Oh.

And who is he ???

You seem to be certain that he is an 'American'.

That isn't very clever of you.

'The American who scrawled that original placard'
may not even be American born.

It is just an assumption on our your part.

Brian,

How can we know that the provocative text on the placard was not written in fact, by a moslem, as a local 'provocation', for the moslem community to 'point' to ?

Moslems do, do that.

They often manufacture and fabricate 'evidence' to 'prove' their 'victimhood' and their persecution by non-moslems.

That is the kind of people ALL moslems are.

e.g.
Do you remember the name;

Carnita Matthews

???

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #8 - Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

"or other criminals". So you believe all Muslims are criminals, Yadda?

Absolutely.

brian,

How would you describe a group of people who join, or freely remains members of an organisation, which teaches its members that it is 'lawful' ['lawful' in their society], to murder people who do not believe as they believe ?

AGAIN.....
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Yadda wrote on Apr 21^st, 2011 at 1:47pm:

From what i know, from my study, of ISLAM's own texts, and doctrines, i would confidently make this statement;

Every good moslem in Australia [and indeed, every good moslem on the planet], by **self declaring** as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

Every moslem!

Every non-moslem should be aware and recognise, that ISLAM is in fact, a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against ALL non-moslems ['unbelievers'].

And in my estimation, every good moslem **does understand** what his/her **religious** OBLIGATION is, to ISLAM, and to fellow moslems.

i

Quote:

And of course, you're not prejudiced, are you?

Bigot. Roll Eyes

Oh.

I'm a bigot ?

But brian, these moslems [in the image below], are merely persons who are exercising their right of freedom of speech on a Sydney street. Right ?....

IMAGE...

Of course!

And i am the one WHO IS, PREJUDICED IN MY VIEWS/OPINIONS.

But you are the one who IS NOT PREJUDICED IN YOUR VIEWS/OPINIONS.

Correct, brian ?

SO,

Yadda - critical of moslems/ISLAM inciting murder - BIGOT!!!!!

Moslems - on a Sydney street, with placards inciting murder [of non-moslems] - NOT BIGOTS !!!!!

"And of course, you're not prejudiced, are you"

.....brian ?i

Dictionary;

bigot = =
1 a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.
2 a person who expresses an opinion/view which does not coincide with the opinion/views of Brian_Ross.

Bigots, are those people who are,
".....intolerant of the opinions of others."

In actual fact brian, i fully support the right of other people [especially moslems] to 'broadcast' their views and the right to make their views and opinions known to others.

All i ask is that moslems convey their views and opinions truthfully, and candidly.

And if they do not, then i [like many others today] will rebuke moslems - for deceitfully trying to spread their philosophy of intimidation, violence, and for moslems being barefaced LIARS.

Does my scrutiny and criticism of ISLAM [and moslems] define as me a bigot ?

brian,

If moslems can find fault with my criticism of ISLAM [and their behaviour] then let moslems declare [in this public forum] what my errors are.

And we will debate and argue.

And those who view our arguments [in this public forum] can decide, who has the best, most valid, most credible, arguments.i

Quote:

As for Muslims and their views on Pluralism, perhaps you don't detect the irony of you attacking them, do you? Roll Eyes

I do not believe that my criticism of ISLAM, discredits me, as person who claims to support pluralist ideals [i.e. the right to choose].

I choose my own path.

And i do encourage all others to choose their own path.

It is ISLAM/moslems which try to violently prohibit the choice of a path, which is not ISLAM.

brian,

I think that i must alert you to the fact that 'Moslems for Pluralism' is a fake movement.

And you are the dupe of moslems.

ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260ii

Quote:

"Islamic Extremism is to Islam as Yadda is to Christianity". Care to discuss that? Wink

What ?

I'm an extremist then ?

Because i rebuke and criticise moslem lying and deception ?

I'm an extremist because i criticise moslems for seeking to INTENTIONALLY misrepresent ISLAM to Australians, who are ignorant about ISLAM's tenets and laws ?

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #9 - Sep 29^th, 2013 at 3:32pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:51pm:

ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Dictionary;

bigot = =
1 a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.
2 a person who expresses an opinion/view which does not coincide with the opinion/views of Brian_Ross.

Bigots, are those people who are,
".....intolerant of the opinions of others."

brian,

If the act of bigotry, involves being intolerant of the expressed opinions of others;

And if 'mainstream' ISLAM [within its published religious doctrine] expresses ISLAM's intolerance of the 'expressed opinions' of others - that they do not want to become moslems;

Then is ISLAM the purveyor of violent religious bigotry in the world ?

FOR SUPPORTING EVIDENCE,
SEE THE HADITH QUOTE, IN THE ENCLOSED QUOTE [above], AND SEE THE KORAN VERSE, BELOW.....

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

OR, is it only bigotry when Yadda is critical of ISLAM's hypocrisy and lies ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #10 - Sep 29^th, 2013 at 5:35pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:

True Colours wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:44pm:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CoN-0dL6_hY/SNptMD53_MI/AAAAAAAAAU8/W6QDhlpk-fM/s400/p...

READ THE MESSAGE DISPLAYED IN THE IMAGE
This IMAGE reflects that moslems are offended,
because some US citizen is offended,
because Obama and all USA politicians are appeasing ISLAM and the moslem community in the USA [and this US citizen is expressing his civic 'concern' inappropriately].....
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CoN-0dL6_hY/SNptMD53_MI/AAAAAAAAAU8/W6QDhlpk-fM/s400/p...

You really don't get the irony of what the image says, do you, Yadda?

You do know what "muslin" is, don't you?

Or are you as poorly educated as the person who scrawled it?

Muslims aren't offended by it, they like all educated people are mystified by it. Grin

Brian_Ross,

So your argument is that because people make typos on their protest placards, it is questionable as to whether they are worthy to vote ???

Yes. One would prefer an educated electorate over an uneducated one, Yadda.

You're a perfect example, actually, who prefers faith over knowledge. Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

That is your opinion.

Yes. Do you have a problem with it for some reason? Why?

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If i seek what is true, is the 'faith' that i hold absolutely certain ?

No.

Yet you appear to believe the reverse, if your comments are anything to go by, Yadda. Are you being disingenuous? Roll Eyes

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #11 - Sep 29^th, 2013 at 5:43pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

"or other criminals". So you believe all Muslims are criminals, Yadda?

Absolutely.

brian,

How would you describe a group of people who join, or freely remains members of an organisation, which teaches its members that it is 'lawful' ['lawful' in their society], to murder people who do not believe as they believe ?

As Christians have for the last 2,000 years?

Or aren't you willing to admit to that, Yadda?

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And of course, you're not prejudiced, are you?

Bigot. Roll Eyes

Oh.

I'm a bigot ?

Yes. You proved it by declaring all Muslims "criminals", Yadda.

Tell me is this Muslim a "criminal"?

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Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
Reply #12 - Sep 29^th, 2013 at 5:48pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

"Islamic Extremism is to Islam as Yadda is to Christianity". Care to discuss that? Wink

What ?

I'm an extremist then ?

It's amazing how myopic your vision is, Yadda

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Because i rebuke and criticise moslem lying and deception ?

Because you assume all Muslims are "criminals", Yadda. It is because you assume that all Muslims engage in "lying and deception".

If you can't recognise how extreme and bigoted those statements are, then there is no hope for you.

There is no hope for you.

1 Corinthians 3:18

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems Reply #13 - Sep 29^th, 2013 at 7:14pm Matthew 7:3
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40817	Re: The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems Reply #14 - Sep 29^th, 2013 at 8:19pm muso wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 7:14pm: Matthew 7:3 Yep, pretty much so for Yadda.
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