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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #91 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:22am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:59pm:

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The vast majority of the best qualified say otherwise. Is your denial rational? You've certainly failed to substantiate it.

Consensus is not part of the scientific method.
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Is that rational? Is scientific method relevant in this context?

Scientific method is relevant to science. Clearly, neither of us is qualified in climate science. Nevertheless, you pretend to judge the science. Is that rational?

You speak of possibility. In principle, all things are possible. I rely on probability. We'll never know for certain until after the event, so how do we manage the risk? Experience shows that the majority is most reliable. The opinion of the vast majority of the best qualified is well established.

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #92 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:23am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:52pm:

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I remain open minded ...

Your behaviour belies that assertion.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 10:11pm:

# wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 10:09pm:

What am I supposed to have made up?

That I "know better".

I've never made that claim. Ever.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:52pm:

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There's not enough reliable, credible, or convincing evidence to support the AGW theory.
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What is that, but you saying you know better than the vast majority of the best qualified?

The story so far:
- you have no rational basis for your denial of climate science, so you're less than a sceptic.
- you rely on assertions, which you evidently cannot substantiate. You are therefore less than a denier.

The conclusion is inescapable: greggerypeccary is trolling.

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #93 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:31am

# wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:59pm:

# wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:58pm:

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The vast majority of the best qualified say otherwise. Is your denial rational? You've certainly failed to substantiate it.

Consensus is not part of the scientific method.
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Is that rational? Is scientific method relevant in this context?

Scientific method is relevant to science. Clearly, neither of us is qualified in climate science. Nevertheless, you pretend to judge the science. Is that rational?

You speak of possibility. In principle, all things are possible. I rely on probability. We'll never know for certain until after the event, so how do we manage the risk? Experience shows that the majority is most reliable. The opinion of the vast majority of the best qualified is well established.

You've summed up greggery's irrationality perfectly, #. He will have to wrestle with his conscience for years to come as he confronts the role he played in delaying action.

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #94 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:46am

MOTR wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:31am:

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You've summed up greggery's irrationality perfectly, #. He will have to wrestle with his conscience for years to come as he confronts the role he played in delaying action.

He's a teenage troll. He has a teenager's appreciation of broader issues - that is, none (OK that's unfair to most teenagers, though not greggery, nor the ones who play chicken with trains). He's just having onanistic "fun".

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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki. Reply #95 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:47am Quote: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki. Is this the David Suzuki we're supposed to believe without question: Quote: David Suzuki Caught Lying About Corporate Donations http://suzukiwatch.wordpress.com/
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Reply #96 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:03am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:55pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:52pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:43pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:20pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:19pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:15pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 7:11pm:

Leftist crank

If valuing the environment makes you a leftist, what sort of crazy people identify with the right.

Leftists don't have a mortgage on environmental issues....they just think they do.

So what's your thoughts on the acidification of our oceans, swaggie.

It's crap

Which part is crap, swaggie.

http://pmel.noaa.gov/co2/files/hitimeseries2.jpg

all of it. it is still well within historical norms.

Longweekend is like Abbott -
he believes climate change caused by humans is crap.

He's just another ostrich who thinks we can put billions of tons
of stinking coal into our atmosphere & nothing will happen.

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #97 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:20am

salad in wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:47am:

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Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.

Is this the David Suzuki we're supposed to believe without question:

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David Suzuki Caught Lying About Corporate Donations

http://suzukiwatch.wordpress.com/

No, we're not "supposed to believe without question" of anyone. Suzuki just happens to be one of the most credible commentators on the planet.

Linking to a site devoted to assassinating his character is getting desperate. Try finding something credible.

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Reply #98 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:41am

salad in wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:47am:

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Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.

Is this the David Suzuki we're supposed to believe without question:

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David Suzuki Caught Lying About Corporate Donations

http://suzukiwatch.wordpress.com/

Yet on his web site he discloses all donations including those from Corporations.....A web site dedicated to criticising David Suzuki is hardly a credible source is it.....When you cannot defeat the argument discredit the messenger is something the right have become very adapt at doing!!!

Roll Eyes

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/donate/about-our-donors/

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Reply #99 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:48am

# wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:59pm:

# wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:58pm:

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The vast majority of the best qualified say otherwise. Is your denial rational? You've certainly failed to substantiate it.

Consensus is not part of the scientific method.
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Is that rational? Is scientific method relevant in this context?

Now we know what we're dealing with.

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Reply #100 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:55am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:48am:

# wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:59pm:

# wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:58pm:

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The vast majority of the best qualified say otherwise. Is your denial rational? You've certainly failed to substantiate it.

Consensus is not part of the scientific method.
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Is that rational? Is scientific method relevant in this context?

[waste of space gif removed]

Now we know what we're dealing with.

Still nothing substantial, little troll?

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #101 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:22am

Global warming alarmist John Cook ... published a paper with several other global warming alarmists claiming they reviewed nearly 12,000 abstracts of studies published in the peer-reviewed climate literature. Cook reported that he and his colleagues found that 97 percent of the papers that expressed a position on human-caused global warming “endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming."…

The question is meaningless regarding the global warming debate because most skeptics as well as most alarmists believe humans have caused some global warming. The issue of contention dividing alarmists and skeptics is whether humans are causing global warming of such negative severity as to constitute a crisis demanding concerted action.

Either through idiocy, ignorance, or both, global warming alarmists and the liberal media have been reporting that the Cook study shows a 97 percent consensus that humans are causing a global warming crisis. However, that was clearly not the question surveyed.

Investigative journalists at Popular Technology .... found Cook and his colleagues strikingly classified papers by such prominent, vigorous skeptics as Willie Soon, Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir Shaviv, Nils-Axel Morner and Alan Carlin as supporting the 97-percent consensus.

Cook and his colleagues, for example, classified a peer-reviewed paper by scientist Craig Idso as explicitly supporting the ‘consensus’ position on global warming “without minimizing” the asserted severity of global warming. When Popular Technology asked Idso whether this was an accurate characterization of his paper, Idso responded, “...It would be incorrect to claim that our paper was an endorsement of CO2-induced global warming.”

When Popular Technology asked physicist Nicola Scafetta whether Cook and his colleagues accurately classified one of his peer-reviewed papers as supporting the ‘consensus’ position, Scafetta similarly criticized the Skeptical Science classification.

“… What my papers say is that the IPCC [United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] view is erroneous because about 40-70% of the global warming observed from 1900 to 2000 was induced by the sun.”

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Reply #102 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:37am

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

Global warming alarmist John Cook ...

And the source is?

Skeptical Science

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Skeptical Science (occasionally abbreviated SkS) is a climate science blog and information resource created in 2007 by Australian blogger and author John Cook. In addition to publishing articles on current events relating to climate science and climate policy, the site maintains a large database of articles analyzing the merit of arguments commonly put forth by those involved in the global warming controversy who oppose the mainstream scientific opinion on climate change.
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After reading a 2007 speech by US Senator James Inhofe who claimed that global warming is a hoax, John Cook created Skeptical Science to be an internet resource that examined the scientific support of the most common arguments against mainstream scientific opinion. The site currently maintains over 160 articles addressing the merit of common criticisms of the scientific consensus on global warming, such as the claim that solar activity (rather than greenhouse gases) is responsible for most 20th-century global warming. Each article, referred to as an "argument", first presents a quotation from a prominent figure who made a direct claim regarding global warming, then follows with a summary of "what the science says".

Rather than fully qualifying each claim, the site focuses mainly on challenging it by citing counterexamples for why it is incorrect, and structuring these examples into an overall rebuttal of the original claim. The site primarily gains the content for these articles from relevant peer reviewed scientific papers. Many articles have been translated into several languages, and are split into up to three levels of technical depth. Rather than active advertising or media relationships, Cook has focused on structuring the site primarily for optimization in search engine results.

The home page of the site also features blog posts by a number of regular and guest contributors, which may be new rebuttals of a certain argument or simply the blogger's view on a relevant climate news item. Like the rebuttals, the blog entries tend to hold a consistent tone that the scientific opinion on anthropogenic global warming is generally accurate.
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Skeptical Science has become a well-known resource for people seeking to understand or debate climate change, and has been praised for its straightforwardness. Marine biologist Ove Hoegh-Guldberg has described it as "the most prominent knowledge-based website dealing with climate change in the world", and The Washington Post has praised it as the "most prominent and detailed" website to counter arguments by global warming skeptics. In September 2011, the site won the 2011 Eureka Prize from the Australian Museum in the category of Advancement of Climate Change Knowledge.

Cook is trained as a solar physicist ...

Skeptical Science is affiliated with no political, business, or charitable entity.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136594 Gender:	Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki. Reply #103 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:41am Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:22am: [i]Global warming alarmist ... It gives them a feeling of superiority. They ignore science and rely on fear and misinformation. Sound familiar?
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ImSpartacus2 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6913	Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki. Reply #104 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:45am Double post. If anyone knows what if anything I'm doing wrong to keep getting these double posts I would appreciate your advice. Regards
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