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Reply #135 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 3:07pm

# wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

[i]Global warming alarmist ...

It gives them a feeling of superiority.
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Still nothing of substance.

That's correct: it gives them a feeling of superiority, yet no actual substance.

You're learning, albeit very slowly.

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Reply #136 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 3:13pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:31am:

# wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:59pm:

# wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2013 at 9:58pm:

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The vast majority of the best qualified say otherwise. Is your denial rational? You've certainly failed to substantiate it.

Consensus is not part of the scientific method.
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Is that rational? Is scientific method relevant in this context?

Scientific method is relevant to science. Clearly, neither of us is qualified in climate science. Nevertheless, you pretend to judge the science. Is that rational?

You speak of possibility. In principle, all things are possible. I rely on probability. We'll never know for certain until after the event, so how do we manage the risk? Experience shows that the majority is most reliable. The opinion of the vast majority of the best qualified is well established.

You've summed up greggery's irrationality perfectly, #. He will have to wrestle with his conscience for years to come as he confronts the role he played in delaying action.

I suggest that you too learn the English language.

I have never said anything about "delaying action".

Quite the opposite, in fact.

On several occasions in this forum I have stated that I have absolutely no problem with Governments taking precautionary action.

At least twice I have said "have as many carbon taxes as you like, I couldn't care less".

Before you jump to conclusiuons I strongly suggest that you actually read what people are saying. Your failure to do so is making you look like a fool.

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #137 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 3:46pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:22am:

Global warming alarmist John Cook ... published a paper with several other global warming alarmists claiming they reviewed nearly 12,000 abstracts of studies published in the peer-reviewed climate literature. Cook reported that he and his colleagues found that 97 percent of the papers that expressed a position on human-caused global warming “endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming."…

The question is meaningless regarding the global warming debate because most skeptics as well as most alarmists believe humans have caused some global warming. The issue of contention dividing alarmists and skeptics is whether humans are causing global warming of such negative severity as to constitute a crisis demanding concerted action.

Either through idiocy, ignorance, or both, global warming alarmists and the liberal media have been reporting that the Cook study shows a 97 percent consensus that humans are causing a global warming crisis. However, that was clearly not the question surveyed.

Investigative journalists at Popular Technology .... found Cook and his colleagues strikingly classified papers by such prominent, vigorous skeptics as Willie Soon, Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir Shaviv, Nils-Axel Morner and Alan Carlin as supporting the 97-percent consensus.

Cook and his colleagues, for example, classified a peer-reviewed paper by scientist Craig Idso as explicitly supporting the ‘consensus’ position on global warming “without minimizing” the asserted severity of global warming. When Popular Technology asked Idso whether this was an accurate characterization of his paper, Idso responded, “...It would be incorrect to claim that our paper was an endorsement of CO2-induced global warming.”

When Popular Technology asked physicist Nicola Scafetta whether Cook and his colleagues accurately classified one of his peer-reviewed papers as supporting the ‘consensus’ position, Scafetta similarly criticized the Skeptical Science classification.

“… What my papers say is that the IPCC [United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] view is erroneous because about 40-70% of the global warming observed from 1900 to 2000 was induced by the sun.”

Perhaps you're unaware, but Cook also asked the scientists to classify their own papers. Same result. How about rather than uncritically cutting and pasting propaganda, you go to the source next time.

http://m.iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #138 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 4:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 3:04pm:

suck it up losers. the climate Con is on the way out and Australia is leading the way.

Yeah, he did see. He vaccinated his kids based on the advice of the majority of scientists even though there are lots of places on the net where pseudo scientists warn you against the dangers of vaccination. Indeed, many people have died after a vaccination and yet despite all this longy let strangers insert a needle full of a toxic substance into his children based on the consensus of opinion of a majority of scientists. Your a liar longy and you threatening the well being of mankind and our planet with your lies and if god exists her retribution will strike you down for your despicable lie.

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Reply #139 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 4:46pm

David Suzuki... pfft... you may as well quote one of Flannery's predictions of doom and gloom whereby 100% of his predictions were WRONG

like flannery... his only qualifications are in zoology or thereabout...

p1ssoff back to your own country you dropkick...

don't come around there's here parts spouting your poison... Angry

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Reply #140 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 4:50pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 3:04pm:

suck it up losers. the climate Con is on the way out and Australia is leading the way.

Yeah, he did see. He vaccinated his kids based on the advice of the majority of scientists even though there are lots of places on the net where pseudo scientists warn you against the dangers of vaccination. Indeed, many people have died after a vaccination and yet despite all this longy let strangers insert a needle full of a toxic substance into his children based on the consensus of opinion of a majority of scientists. Your a liar longy and you threatening the well being of mankind and our planet with your lies and if god exists her retribution will strike you down for your despicable lie.

That is a complete and utter load of tosh. you cannot seriously compare these examples. They are so different in their bases to make the whole comparison childishly nonsensical.

Its like starting with an apple, and then comparing it to say....fairy dust. One is real, the other is unknown, and quite possibly confected tripe. Unless of course you want to maintain 'the science is settled' and then I'll just let you go and chat to your chums at the bottom of the garden.

I am in good mind to report you to 'scam watch' - sorry old mate, your position is ridiculous.

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #141 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 4:55pm

True Blue... wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 4:46pm:

David Suzuki... pfft... you may as well quote one of Flannery's predictions of doom and gloom whereby 100% of his predictions were WRONG

like flannery... his only qualifications are in zoology or thereabout...

p1ssoff back to your own country you dropkick...

don't come around there's here parts spouting your poison... Angry

Yeah spot on, my Canadian mate said today 'you can keep him, we don't want him back'......bet he's not the only one saying it either.

What sort of crap cultural cringe is 'our' ABC on at anyrate? why invite this charlatan over here in the first place...he's just some dropkick aging hippie who breeds like a rabbit and owns multiple houses and then tells everyone else to stop breeding and over consuming.

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Reply #143 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:16pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 10:57am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

If someone came you with a bridge design and said I want to build this bridge but all the architects and engineers are telling me it will collapse if I build it. Now I know your not an architect/engineer, says the guy but why don't you go do some Google research on building bridges and later if you tell to build it I will. Now no matter how much research you did who would be so dumb as to tell that guy to go ahead and build that bridge anyway. And if people died as a consequence who would say that person doesn't deserve to go to prison. I there was ever a case for the "crime against humanity" its this where someone knowingly or negligently discriminates false or misleading information about global warming in order to misinform the public into taking no effective action to combat it. On day when the pending disaster is obvious to all I sincerely hope proper legal action is taken to punish those people severely. And its worth remembering that the internet never forgets.

What a load of crap.....Taking action to reduce carbon emissions will have very little negative impact but it will drive investment in alternative energy and better use of our limited resources....Taking no action to reduce Carbon Emissions will have a negative impact on economies and future energy supplies that will reach a crisis point this century.....Doing nothing will ensure any negative impacts of Global Warming will be far worse than if action was taken now.....Of course we could just ignore every scientific organisation that advocates action on Climate Change and rely on faith to solve all our problems!!!

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You do realise abbott only runs Australia, a country that produces less than 2% of global emmisions. If we did nothing, nothing would change, if we did everything, nothing would change; we are irrelevant.

and per head of population we also produce the greatest emissions Sad

your argument is brain dead because the planet doesn't give a flying bugger about countries and borders.

it doesn't care about pro-rata emissions either.

yes it does because some dickhead like yourself in australia polluting more than some dude in china is simply producing more pollution and needs to cut down.

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #144 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:23pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

pitiful...

you really don't cope well with contrary opinions, do you?

Longy,
You need to start a coal fire inside your garage & tell us that
the coal smoke didn't do anything as you come running out coughing.

You really are a simpleton.

Burning coal does nothing according to Longloser.

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Reply #145 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:26pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

If someone came you with a bridge design and said I want to build this bridge but all the architects and engineers are telling me it will collapse if I build it. Now I know your not an architect/engineer, says the guy but why don't you go do some Google research on building bridges and later if you tell to build it I will. Now no matter how much research you did who would be so dumb as to tell that guy to go ahead and build that bridge anyway. And if people died as a consequence who would say that person doesn't deserve to go to prison. I there was ever a case for the "crime against humanity" its this where someone knowingly or negligently discriminates false or misleading information about global warming in order to misinform the public into taking no effective action to combat it. On day when the pending disaster is obvious to all I sincerely hope proper legal action is taken to punish those people severely. And its worth remembering that the internet never forgets.

What a load of crap.....Taking action to reduce carbon emissions will have very little negative impact but it will drive investment in alternative energy and better use of our limited resources....Taking no action to reduce Carbon Emissions will have a negative impact on economies and future energy supplies that will reach a crisis point this century.....Doing nothing will ensure any negative impacts of Global Warming will be far worse than if action was taken now.....Of course we could just ignore every scientific organisation that advocates action on Climate Change and rely on faith to solve all our problems!!!

Roll Eyes

I can't make you out Phil. Perhaps you need to read the post more carefully or clarify why you think its crap to say that people should not ignore the science experts and instead rely on their own infantile amateur deductions re the truth about global warming and that it is irresponsible or deliberately criminal for people who have no training in the field to go around misinforming the public about the truth about global warming.

I think I miss read your post mate.....Sorry about that.....carry on!!!

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Reply #146 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:33pm

Tony can do what he wants when it comes to polluters and climate change because it isn't going to go away and all he will be doing is making the future much more uncertain for our grand kids when the burden is shifted to them.
Tonys grand kids and everyone of their generation will spit on his grave and if thats the way he wants to be remembered then all power to him.

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Reply #147 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 6:01pm

adelcrow wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Tony can do what he wants when it comes to polluters and climate change because it isn't going to go away and all he will be doing is making the future much more uncertain for our grand kids when the burden is shifted to them.
Tonys grand kids and everyone of their generation will spit on his grave and if thats the way he wants to be remembered then all power to him.

Tony needs to be tied to a chair inside a coal fire power station chimney.

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Reply #149 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:08pm

David Suzuki would have a problem with every Government of every Country in the World....and mostly he would be right.

It is up to all of us, each individual to contribute to the welfare of the planet.

Ask yourself this question right now, particularly the ones tub thumping. What do you do in your life that make the planet better?

In most cases I bet the answer is sweet fanny adams.

Most people are big on talk but then go down the road, fill their car up then rock up to the shopping centre to consume.

Correct me if I, wrong.

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