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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #150 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:17pm

red baron wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

David Suzuki would have a problem with every Government of every Country in the World....and mostly he would be right.

It is up to all of us, each individual to contribute to the welfare of the planet.

Ask yourself this question right now, particularly the ones tub thumping. What do you do in your life that make the planet better?

In most cases I bet the answer is sweet fanny adams.

Most people are big on talk but then go down the road, fill their car up then rock up to the shopping centre to consume.

Correct me if I, wrong.

Actually I think government and legislation is the perfect tool for achieving the paradigm shift. In most cases individuals or households have a trivial impact, while manufacturing and industry has by far the most. None of this can ever work in a globalised world, or even a world where different legislatures exist.

The average person is completely powerless and under a lot of stress just to survive in any semblance of decency under the current system, it's time to call a spade a spade and blame those who are really at fault.

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #151 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:32pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

pitiful...

you really don't cope well with contrary opinions, do you?

Longy,
You need to start a coal fire inside your garage & tell us that
the coal smoke didn't do anything as you come running out coughing.

You really are a simpleton.

Burning coal does nothing according to Longloser.

When you burn coal and oil, you release the sun's energy captured by the plants that fossilised into coal and oil. It's not evil. It's the way of this particular world.
Plant more trees and vegetation to eat up the CO2. We ARE, after all, on a planet with carbon based life.

You guys talk as if coal and oil were some sort of bloody witchcraft and you were the head witch hunters.

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #152 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:34pm

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

pitiful...

you really don't cope well with contrary opinions, do you?

Longy,
You need to start a coal fire inside your garage & tell us that
the coal smoke didn't do anything as you come running out coughing.

You really are a simpleton.

Burning coal does nothing according to Longloser.

When you burn coal and oil, you release the sun's energy captured by the plants that fossilised into coal and oil. It's not evil. It's the way of this particular world.
Plant more trees and plants to eat up the CoE. We ARE, after all, on a planet with carbon based life.

Dear Soren,
The carbon that took 100s of millions of years to be captured by the earth is being
released in a few centuries.

That is environmental vandalism.

forgiven for lack of scientific understanding

namaste

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #153 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 10:23pm

Rider wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 3:04pm:

suck it up losers. the climate Con is on the way out and Australia is leading the way.

Yeah, he did see. He vaccinated his kids based on the advice of the majority of scientists even though there are lots of places on the net where pseudo scientists warn you against the dangers of vaccination. Indeed, many people have died after a vaccination and yet despite all this longy let strangers insert a needle full of a toxic substance into his children based on the consensus of opinion of a majority of scientists. Your a liar longy and you threatening the well being of mankind and our planet with your lies and if god exists her retribution will strike you down for your despicable lie.

That is a complete and utter load of tosh. you cannot seriously compare these examples. They are so different in their bases to make the whole comparison childishly nonsensical.

Its like starting with an apple, and then comparing it to say....fairy dust. One is real, the other is unknown, and quite possibly confected tripe. Unless of course you want to maintain 'the science is settled' and then I'll just let you go and chat to your chums at the bottom of the garden.

I am in good mind to report you to 'scam watch' - sorry old mate, your position is ridiculous.

The 2 situations are completely comparable and your assertions with no evidence to back them up is typical of global warming deniers. Here's an idea instead of asserting that something is like comparing apples with fairy dust why not give a reason why you think the comparison does not work. But here is why the comparison clearly works. Scientists say that vaccinations protect you from disease. But many people have died or suffered very I'll effects from vaccinations. So much so that there are groups on the net warning us that the scientists are wrong. Most global warming deniers are not qualified to assess the veracity of the conclusions of climate scientists. Also most global warming deniers are not qualified to assess the veracity of the conclusions of immunologists and yet the global warming deniers accept the scientific consensus re vaccinations but not the scientific consensus re global warming. Why? Because deniers won't suffer if they do nothing about global warming (others will). But they will suffer if they don't vaccinate. And that's why deniers don't accept global warming science. Because they're selfish pigs.

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #154 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 12:02am

red baron wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:08pm:

David Suzuki would have a problem with every Government of every Country in the World....and mostly he would be right.

It is up to all of us, each individual to contribute to the welfare of the planet.

Ask yourself this question right now, particularly the ones tub thumping. What do you do in your life that make the planet better?

In most cases I bet the answer is sweet fanny adams.

Most people are big on talk but then go down the road, fill their car up then rock up to the shopping centre to consume.

Correct me if I, wrong.

the deniers believe that printed money is more important than anything else in the universe which is why we are all doomed Sad

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #155 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 5:00am

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

pitiful...

you really don't cope well with contrary opinions, do you?

Longy,
You need to start a coal fire inside your garage & tell us that
the coal smoke didn't do anything as you come running out coughing.

You really are a simpleton.

Burning coal does nothing according to Longloser.

When you burn coal and oil, you release the sun's energy captured by the plants that fossilised into coal and oil. It's not evil. It's the way of this particular world.
Plant more trees and vegetation to eat up the CO2. We ARE, after all, on a planet with carbon based life.

You guys talk as if coal and oil were some sort of bloody witchcraft and you were the head witch hunters.

Nature is actually absorbing some of the additional carbon dioxide we are emmitting into the atmosphere. We know this because the increase in atmospheric CO2 is less than our total emissions. Unfortunately, there are no carbon sinks that we can feasibly construct that will soak up the difference.

The other problem is that our oceans are also suffering from soaking up some of this excess carbon dioxide, with increased acidification.

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification%3F

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki. Reply #156 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 5:13am Governments will fix nothing, it will be industry that as usual does all the heavy lifting. Last year we spent $750,000,000 on cleaner energy solutions and delivery R&D. More than some Australian companies report in revenue and we spent it on cleaner energy... Big bad oil companies eh??
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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki. Reply #157 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 5:19am Put a price on it Andrei and the markets will do the heavy lifting. Billions of minds will be applied to the same problem. The government picking winners through direct action will prove to be incredibly expensive are very ineffective.
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True Blue... Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3748 Gender:	Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki. Reply #158 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 7:34am did you see that dropkick Suzuki dodge that question that guy put to him that it was scientific fact that Australia's water levels haven't risen in 160 years?
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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #159 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 7:52am

True Blue... wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 7:34am:

did you see that dropkick Suzuki dodge that question that guy put to him that it was scientific fact that Australia's water levels haven't risen in 160 years? Roll Eyes

I don't think he's a dropkick. Far from it.

However, he does seem to have been brainwashed into believing the AGW hype.

AGW is certainly a faith-based religion.

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Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki.
Reply #160 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 7:55am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 5:13am:

Governments will fix nothing, it will be industry that as usual does all the heavy lifting.

Last year we spent $750,000,000 on cleaner energy solutions and delivery R&D.

More than some Australian companies report in revenue and we spent it on cleaner energy...

Big bad oil companies eh??

Industry is the problem. Have a look at fukashima now. This is the price for unregulated private enterprise that we will all be paying for centuries to come. You are turning our world into a garbage tip and our communities into roaming packs of ravenous animals that respond to nothing but their animal urges. .Nature is not a fanatical ideologue like you . Capitalism is driving us to the brink of destruction all in the name of personal wealth at the expense of the community. George sores has predicted that this century will see the last of capitalism. Question is will the capitalists destroy us before we destroy them.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki. Reply #161 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:31am True Blue... wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 7:34am: did you see that dropkick Suzuki dodge that question that guy put to him that it was scientific fact that Australia's water levels haven't risen in 160 years? You have a strange concept of scientific fact. No wonder you are so clueless.
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Reply #162 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:52am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 7:52am:

True Blue... wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 7:34am:

did you see that dropkick Suzuki dodge that question that guy put to him that it was scientific fact that Australia's water levels haven't risen in 160 years? Roll Eyes

I don't think he's a dropkick. Far from it.

However, he does seem to have been brainwashed into believing the AGW hype.

AGW is certainly a faith-based religion.

It's science based, greggery. Increases in global temperatures are so well explained by rising CO2, the vast bulk of clinate scientists are virtually certain there isn't some other as yet unidentified driver out there.

It's why there are hundreds of major scientific organisations endorsing the AGW hypothesis and none rejecting it. Only in irrational thought processes can this be remotely described as faith based.

Your credibility on this issue has sunk to zero.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Reply #163 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:59am

MOTR wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 7:52am:

True Blue... wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 7:34am:

did you see that dropkick Suzuki dodge that question that guy put to him that it was scientific fact that Australia's water levels haven't risen in 160 years? Roll Eyes

I don't think he's a dropkick. Far from it.

However, he does seem to have been brainwashed into believing the AGW hype.

AGW is certainly a faith-based religion.

It's science based, greggery.

The theory is scientific, yes.

The religion/cult, however, is completely faith-based.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Tony's climate agenda worrying, says David Suzuki. Reply #164 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 10:28am greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:59am: ... The religion/cult, however, is completely faith-based. ... Still lacking substance, young troll?
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