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Sep 24^th, 2013 at 1:29pm

The subject site (not to be confused with populartechnology.org) has apparently been around for a while (Copyright © 2004-2013, according to the home page), but I've only recently heard of it. It claims "Impartial Analysis of Popular Trends and Technology", but seems to be a hard-line climate science denial/anti-renewables site.

I can't find any record on sourcewatch or Desmog Blog. The site does not list full names of personnel. There's no declaration of funding or other links that I can see. Whois shows it registered via a proxy which has apparent links to criminal activity.

Among other things, the site boasts "1100+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarm". It's frequently quoted as an authority to discredit SkepticalScience.

Additional information would be much appreciated.

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Reply #1 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 2:40pm

# wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

The subject site (not to be confused with populartechnology.org) has apparently been around for a while (Copyright © 2004-2013, according to the home page), but I've only recently heard of it. It claims "Impartial Analysis of Popular Trends and Technology", but seems to be a hard-line climate science denial/anti-renewables site.

I can't find any record on sourcewatch or Desmog Blog. The site does not list full names of personnel. There's no declaration of funding or other links that I can see. Whois shows it registered via a proxy which has apparent links to criminal activity.

Among other things, the site boasts "1100+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarm". It's frequently quoted as an authority to discredit SkepticalScience.

Additional information would be much appreciated.

What's wrong hash this site has your knickers in a knot....???

It actually got a hold of articles within the skeptical science computers when they got hacket.

Don't know if criminals run this site or not, but I would bet that crims would be attracted to the money.

The AGW religions gravy train is well known through out the whole world, even mafia bosses in Italy have been scamming the EU's ETS.

So while I cant confirm or deny that they maybe criminals, I would put my bets on the money trail.

Why don't you focus on some of the literature that tries to disprove anthropogenic global warming rather than trying to attack the person.....??????

The only reason I say John Cook is this or that is because of the garbage he writes........!!!!

Skeptical Science computers hacked - ties to Al Gore

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"This morning, had a long skype call with a guy working with Al Gore's Climate Reality Project. [...] He brought up the possibility of a partnership. [...] an exciting opportunity and another vindication of what we're doing" - John Cook [Skeptical Science], September 27, 2011

http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/09/skeptical-science-partnership-with-al.h...

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: populartechnology.net Reply #2 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:30pm # - Just go by the validity or otherwise of the arguments they present. It's not really relevant who's behind it.
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Reply #3 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:06pm

# wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

The subject site (not to be confused with populartechnology.org) has apparently been around for a while (Copyright © 2004-2013, according to the home page), but I've only recently heard of it. It claims "Impartial Analysis of Popular Trends and Technology", but seems to be a hard-line climate science denial/anti-renewables site.

This is incorrect we believe there is such a thing as climate science. We are also not "anti-renewables" but rather anti-government subsidies of renewables.

# wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

I can't find any record on sourcewatch or Desmog Blog. The site does not list full names of personnel. There's no declaration of funding or other links that I can see. Whois shows it registered via a proxy which has apparent links to criminal activity.

Why would our site be listed on smear sites like sourcewatch (can be edited by anyone with an Internet connection) and Desmog Blog (funded by a convicted money launderer)?

We have zero funding and are not associated with anyone.

Oh please, Domains by Proxy is used by Internet registrars like GoDaddy.

It is absolutely impossible for you to find any information about us because no such information exists online. When you understand Internet security you don't post personal information online.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: populartechnology.net Reply #4 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:06pm Poptech wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:06pm: ... We have zero funding and are not associated with anyone. ... The mere fact that you have the resources to monitor an obscure Australian forum tends to belie that assertion.
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Reply #5 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 12:26am

# wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

Poptech wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 7:06pm:

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We have zero funding and are not associated with anyone.
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The mere fact that you have the resources to monitor an obscure Australian forum tends to belie that assertion.

Your inability to understand how I found this post, simply demonstrates a lack of technical understanding - it does not demonstrate any evidence of funding.

It is quite an honor to be a part of your conspiracy theories.

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Reply #6 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 10:25am

muso wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

# - Just go by the validity or otherwise of the arguments they present. ...

Your style is not my style. In fact, I doubt I have the qualifications to adopt your style. Not being qualified to judge the information, I fall back on judging the source. The first port of call was naturally to check the usual sources, then to ask others. This site has somehow avoided scrutiny to date, so there's no credible assessment of its integrity. The secretiveness is the only indicator.

The site's a bit of a Gish Gallop: so many assertions that some are bound to slip by without due scrutiny. Unravelling the fabric will take a while. I'll do my best; it will be a learning experience for me.

The easiest target will probably be the "1100+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarm". Is there a reliable way to check the bonafides of journals?

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: populartechnology.net Reply #7 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:10pm OK, http://www.scimagojr.com/index.php looks like it might be what I'm after. Now to figure out how to use it.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10982 Australia Gender:	Re: populartechnology.net Reply #8 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:18pm Whats wrong hash TRUTH HURT.....................?????? Its a good site if you're looking for the truth......!!!!
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: populartechnology.net Reply #9 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:24pm Ajax wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:18pm: ... if you're looking for the truth......!!!! I am. That's why I'm checking.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10982 Australia Gender:	Re: populartechnology.net Reply #10 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:25pm # wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:24pm: Ajax wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:18pm: ... if you're looking for the truth......!!!! I am. That's why I'm checking. good knock yourself out........!!!!
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Reply #11 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 10:15pm

# wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

Your style is not my style. In fact, I doubt I have the qualifications to adopt your style. Not being qualified to judge the information, I fall back on judging the source. The first port of call was naturally to check the usual sources, then to ask others. This site has somehow avoided scrutiny to date, so there's no credible assessment of its integrity. The secretiveness is the only indicator.

Your "usual sources" are all biased and completely unreliable. The site has not avoided scrutiny, it has been relentlessly attacked with baseless accusations. Do not confuse privacy with secrecy.

# wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

The site's a bit of a Gish Gallop: so many assertions that some are bound to slip by without due scrutiny.

Incorrect, our site has nothing to do with creationists as we all support evolution. We do not engage in half-truths, lies or strawman arguments. To the contrary an extensive amount of time is spent rebutting these made against our work.

# wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

The easiest target will probably be the "1100+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarm". Is there a reliable way to check the bonafides of journals?

You will find nothing that has not been refuted in extensive detail in the "Rebuttals to Criticisms" section on the list.

# wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

OK, scimagojr looks like it might be what I'm after. Now to figure out how to use it.

Incorrect, journal ranking metrics can only determine the "popularity" of a journal not it's scientific validity.

I highly doubt you will choose to be intellectually honest and I am limited to not being able to post links here until an unheard of 100 posts. No other forum I have ever visited has such an absurd requirement.

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Reply #12 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 10:42pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:18pm:

Whats wrong hash

TRUTH HURT.....................??????

Its a good site if you're looking for the truth......!!!!

Their brand of truth seems to struggle against the rigor and transparency of a simple scientific peer review process

Funny that!

A hurdle that trips up the charlatans and tricksters

You know who they are don't you oh darkest batman?

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Poptech Junior Member Offline Posts: 95 U.S. Gender:	Re: populartechnology.net Reply #13 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 12:18am Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 10:42pm: Their brand of truth seems to struggle against the rigor and transparency of a simple scientific peer review process This is incorrect as every counted paper on the 1100+ paper list has been peer-reviewed.
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Reply #14 - Sep 26^th, 2013 at 2:59am

Poptech wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 12:18am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

Their brand of truth seems to struggle against the rigor and transparency of a simple scientific peer review process

This is incorrect as every counted paper on the 1100+ paper list has been peer-reviewed.

Do any of these papers explain the warming trend over the past 50 or 60 years?

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