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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:06pm Millions of people have been killed in George W Bush's Crusade. Why are people still not apostatising from Christianity? Oh wait they are. The rise of atheism in America Polls show that in the EU 20% of people are already full-blown atheists.
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Reply #1 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 9:22pm

True Colours wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Millions of people have been killed in George W Bush's Crusade.

Polls show that in the EU 20% of people are already full-blown atheists.

Since Bush has not been in power for many years is this now Obama's crusade?

If muslims think there is only 1 god and Mo was his messenger does that mean they are atheist towards other religions, what is left for muslims when they realise Islam is bullshit as well?

I prefer to use the term no religion, Lestat was a muslim in this forum who was clueless about agnostics.

In the Australian census those with no religion are growing faster than any religion.
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Australia

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #2 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 10:28pm Obama has been far worse than Bush in many respects. The expansion of the rendition program and drone attacks just two examples.
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Lionel Edriess Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1932 Gender:	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #3 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 10:39pm Talk to the shade of Charles Martel if you ever need a reason for such behaviour.
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Reply #4 - Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

Obama has been far worse than Bush in many respects. The expansion of the rendition program and drone attacks just two examples.

They elect a Muslim for Prez and you think he's worse in many respects than the Christian before him.

No wonder Islam's civil war started the day Mohammed died. No matter what, even the best of times you bvggers are half-full. Or half-empty. Or what was the correct translation of the question again? Actually, you all ordered a cheeseburger (halal, of course).

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Reply #5 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 12:52am

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

Obama has been far worse than Bush in many respects. The expansion of the rendition program and drone attacks just two examples.

They elect a Muslim for Prez and you think he's worse in many respects than the Christian before him.

Hate to break it to you, Soren but Obama isn't a Muslim. He's a Christian. I am sure you'll next try and claim he wasn't born in the USA. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #6 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 1:15am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 12:52am:

Soren wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 11:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 10:28pm:

Obama has been far worse than Bush in many respects. The expansion of the rendition program and drone attacks just two examples.

They elect a Muslim for Prez and you think he's worse in many respects than the Christian before him.

Hate to break it to you, Soren but Obama isn't a Muslim. He's a Christian. I am sure you'll next try and claim he wasn't born in the USA. Roll Eyes

yeah, he is a Muslim on his papa's side (sons of Kenyan Muslims are Kenyan Muslims) or an apostate if he converted outa Islam.

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #7 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 2:42am Obama's father was a declared atheist.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #8 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:10am Soren wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 1:15am: yeah, he is a Muslim on his papa's side (sons of Kenyan Muslims are Kenyan Muslims) or an apostate if he converted outa Islam. What a stupid thing to say.
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Reply #9 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 11:58am

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 8:10am:

Soren wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 1:15am:

yeah, he is a Muslim on his papa's side (sons of Kenyan Muslims are Kenyan Muslims) or an apostate if he converted outa Islam.

What a stupid thing to say.

It's the truth. Obama senior was a muslim at birth. If he renounced it for atheism he is an apostate muslim but still a muslim, according to muslims. So his son is a muslim, even if he goes to church. If you are born a Muslim, you can't be a non-muslim - according to Islam.
And mamma O'Bama doesn't count, she was a non-muslim woman.

Zaid b. Aslam reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) declared that the man who leaves the fold of Islam should be executed (Muwatta Imam Malik, p. 317).

Narrated Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anyone with Allah's punishment (fire)'. I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him'". (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, p. 45).

Abu Musa said: Mu'adh came to me when I was in the Yemen. A man who was a Jew embraced Islam and then retreated from Islam. When Mu'adh came, he said: I will not come down from my mount until he is killed. He was then killed. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Vol. 3, p. 1213).

Kenyans do not seem to be exempt.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #10 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 1:01pm an apostate muslim? Really Soren?? Where do you get this crap?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #11 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 1:14pm Please tell us what the sharia-compliant way of leaving Islam is. I can't seem to find any Islamic scholars explaining how a Muslim can become an openly atheist or Christian person and not be regarded as an apostate.
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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #12 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 1:15pm .
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #13 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 1:16pm Out of his arse?
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Reply #14 - Sep 25^th, 2013 at 1:38pm

Soren wrote on Sep 25^th, 2013 at 1:14pm:

Please tell us what the sharia-compliant way of leaving Islam is.

I can't seem to find any Islamic scholars explaining how a Muslim can become an openly atheist or Christian person and not be regarded as an apostate.

This has nothing to do with how to leave islam. This is about your absurd concept of an "apostate muslim". An apostate is someone who has abandoned islam - they can't be an apostate and a muslim at the same time. Cheesy

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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