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Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery
Reply #30 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:58pm

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

What if they refuse to embrace Islam even after being introduced to it?

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There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût and believes in God (ar. Allah), then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And God is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

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Reply #31 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:15pm

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Presumably there is some step which involves the person changing from a muslim to a non-muslim? You haven't explained what the current religion is of this hypothetical person, and if/when he/she renounced islam.

The situation is that of a child being raised by a Muslim family/community to be a Muslim, and going along with it for some time, then rejecting Islam.

At what point does the death penalty for apostasy apply?

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There is no compulsion in religion.

Does the death penalty for apostasy contradict the whole "no compulsion in religion" thing?

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Tâghût

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Reply #32 - Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:39pm

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

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Presumably there is some step which involves the person changing from a muslim to a non-muslim? You haven't explained what the current religion is of this hypothetical person, and if/when he/she renounced islam.

The situation is that of a child being raised by a Muslim family/community to be a Muslim, and going along with it for some time, then rejecting Islam.

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At what point does the death penalty for apostasy apply?

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At the first instant

, that a persons rebellion against the authority of ISLAM becomes apparent.

For filicide [in Allah's honour!], Allah is always forgiving. Tongue

Google;
uk, honour killing, muslim daughter in suitcasei
marriage

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338868086/4#4
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....ISLAMIC law specifically gives moslem men, the right to kill their children [and grandchildren]. [An ISLAMIC source is cited below], at the jihadwatch item.

ISLAMIC sources declare that the killing of moslem children, by a parent, is 'lawful', within ISLAM...
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"British girl kidnapped by Saudi father: "I told [the police] he was keeping me there against my will and all they said was, 'He's your father, if he wants he can kill you'."
Indeed, traditional Islamic law does not prescribe retaliation against a parent for killing his or her child. For example: "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2)." "

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/british-girl-kidnapped-by-saudi-father-i-told-...

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Reply #34 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 12:11am

True Colours wrote on Sep 24^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Millions of people have been killed in George W Bush's Crusade.

Why are people still not apostatising from Christianity?

Oh wait they are.

The rise of atheism in America

Polls show that in the EU 20% of people are already full-blown atheists.

20% SEEMS RATHER LOW: IF THE YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT REGULARLY DOUBLES THAT IN SOME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU START DOUBTING YOUR SOURCES Wink

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Reply #35 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:46pm

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

The situation is that of a child being raised by a Muslim family/community to be a Muslim, and going along with it for some time, then rejecting Islam.

At what point does the death penalty for apostasy apply?

Right. Well since I have repeatedly stated that I do not subscribe to the view that islam orders death for apostasy - you are obviously asking the wrong person.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #36 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

The situation is that of a child being raised by a Muslim family/community to be a Muslim, and going along with it for some time, then rejecting Islam.

At what point does the death penalty for apostasy apply?

Right. Well since I have repeatedly stated that I do not subscribe to the view that islam orders death for apostasy - you are obviously asking the wrong person.

Since you don't, can you point us to the guys who DO speak for Islam?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #37 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 10:01pm You know you don't have to ask me S, Yadda has all the right quotes all ready to post.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #38 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 10:04pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 10:01pm: You know you don't have to ask me S, Yadda has all the right quotes all ready to post. ...again and again...
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Reply #39 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 10:18pm

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

The situation is that of a child being raised by a Muslim family/community to be a Muslim, and going along with it for some time, then rejecting Islam.

At what point does the death penalty for apostasy apply?

Right. Well since I have repeatedly stated that I do not subscribe to the view that islam orders death for apostasy - you are obviously asking the wrong person.

Since you don't, can you point us to the guys who DO speak for Islam?

pffft that wont work, despite the beardy weirdies making public declarations that they blow up people in the name of Islam, mouthbreathing lefties will immediately declare that they don't.

Islam is the religion of peace innit and those people who blow up and behead other people are not real Muslims.

Which is news to them doing the blowing up and decapitating whilst shouting Alah Akbah!!!!

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #40 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 10:56pm The fvckers will not own the outrages committed in the full-throated name of their Islam, only the goddamned victimhood they can garner in the name of Islam. Dishonest, squishy, bed-wetting 'moderates'. They are the jihadists with a massive streak of cowardice.
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Reply #41 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 11:27pm

Soren wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 10:56pm:

The fvckers will not own the outrages committed in the full-throated name of their Islam, only the goddamned victimhood they can garner in the name of Islam.

Dishonest, squishy, bed-wetting 'moderates'. They are the jihadists with a massive streak of cowardice.

Indeed, it is a massive scam, on one side you have the militants committing violence in the name of Islam, yes Muslims killing people in the name of Islam and on the other side you have the hand wringers saying, you must not offend us, lest our cousins who we cannot control get angry and kill you.

Win frigging win.

And add the leftys who for reasons I cannot explain will leap immediately to the defence of the same buggers who are happy to kill queers and deny female equality...

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"If they’re out there in the high seas, what you would do is seek to turn them back through the agency of the Australian Navy".

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Reply #42 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 11:45pm

The progs buy the Muslim victimhood wheeze. So they leap to the defence if the supposed "victims", no matter how many murders are committed by these supposed victims, with Allah on their lips.

That's how stupid and dishonest they are, the squishy bedwetter progs and the 'moderate, chancer Muslims. No wonder they have found each other.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #43 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 11:48pm Which union was it, Soren?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Crusade Means Death, Slaughter, Misery Reply #44 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:39pm \|dev\|null wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:58pm: \|dev\|null wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 1:57pm: \|dev\|null wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 1:15pm: \|dev\|null wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 1:11pm: \|dev\|null wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 2:44pm: Is this a jolly pattern I see before me??
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