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Thirty Thousand Votes And Abbott's Gone
Sep 25th, 2013 at 8:11am
 
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Eleven of the Coalition's new seats are held on a margin of less than 4000 votes. That isn't a clean sweep, no matter how the hacks spin it, writes Phil Doyle

Whichever way you want to look at the result of the recent Federal election, one argument that doesn't stack up is that this is some kind of landslide for the Coalition. That's how the election is being rewritten — but the figures don't support the story.

Fifteen of the Coalition's new seats are held on very thin margins. Eleven seats have margins of less than 4000 voters, according to AEC figures as at 24 September:
Barton (NSW)493
Petrie (QLD)971
Eden-Monaro (NSW)1071
Capricornia (QLD)1381
Dobell (NSW)1189
Solomon (NT)1492
Reid (NSW)1490
Lyons (TAS)1605
Banks (NSW)3169
Braddon (TAS)3398
Hindmarsh (SA)3541

If Gilmore, Lindsay, Robertson, and Deakin are included, less than 30,000 voters nationally would need to change their minds for the government to change as well.

So what? There have always been marginal seats. MPs and governments have learnt to live with them. So what's the big deal?

Yes, there haves been marginal seats, but never in quite the quantity before, and never at a time when the electorate is in such a state of flux.

It also places a huge question mark over going to a double dissolution mid term when the Government has such a tenuous grip on the Treasury benches. Hawke tried it in 1984 and we came within a bee's dick of Andrew Peacock as Prime Minister.

The first preference House of Representatives vote for the old parties is its lowest since the World War II. At under 75 per cent of the vote what we are watching, as Guy Rundle has pointed out, is a new normal.

The result is a lot tighter than many pundits predicted. Firstly the dire warnings by pollsters of ALP "wipeouts" in Queensland and western Sydney simply didn't eventuate.

Lazy analysis that took national polling numbers and laid them over the Mackerass pendulum without any understanding of local conditions allowed this Chicken-Little number-crunching to crowd out how policy was affecting people's day-to-day lives.

Eventually someone is going to have to call bullshit on the cottage industry of nationwide polling as anything more than a vehicle for hack journalists to meet a deadline. Regional swings and variations are far more definitive than any blanket national assessment.

Polling has been used by the likes of the NSW ALP under Arbib and Dastyari, and by Kevin Rudd, to push personal agendas independent of the real business of government.

News Corporation threw the kitchen sink at the ALP and they didn't get much bang for their buck. Nationally the Coalition vote was up, but not by much.

People can safely draw a line through News Corporation as being an influence on public opinion. It still plays a role in setting the agenda for lazy TV news producers, but in the big scheme of things the internet is the go-to place for information.

Underlining this is the size of the informal vote, compounded by the significant numbers of people that couldn’t be arsed voting at all. While the informal vote stayed roughly at the same proportion, the turnout was significantly down.

Where people did vote informally was in "safe" ALP seats in western Sydney: Fowler, Watson,, Blaxland, Chifley and Werriwa were all in double digits. If these people aren't going to vote Liberal now, it's hard to see when they ever will.

For many people neither of the old parties is doing much to address their needs, hence the widespread disengagement.

Most of the ALP's "solutions" turn out to be market based bait-and-switch operations like the Job Network or privatised VET that gouge the millions of Australians who earn less than $30,000 a year, while the Coalition offers to make life equally as miserable. None of the major parties is doing anything to push down the price of rent or help the millions of Australian households over their heads in debt - the big reason why so many people feel economically set upon in an age of paper prosperity.

If someone starts engaging with this section of the electorate with economic heresies that help households (and possibly hurt corporations) then they may be surprised at how well such populism sells. Palmer's outsider campaign embodied some of that idea, but he couldn't pull it off successfully.

He needed an ordinary every(wo)man as a front to seriously shake the tree. Let's be honest, is Palmer going to do anything for people living on less than $30,000 except create more of them?

None of this is helped by a media that comes from a privileged narrow demographic that experiences few of the stresses most Australians know on a daily basis, or derisively sniggers at the "bogan" experience of life. It is systemic political failure on an epic scale, and cold comfort for the hardheads around the Coalition who must by now realise that they are far from in a comfortable situation. Unpopular policies will threaten more than their standing in the opinion polls.





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Reply #1 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:02am
 
All the Australian people need is the average swing against first term govts and we will be rid of this cowardly far right PM and his goon squad.
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Reply #2 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:05am
 
So Mr Abbott may turn out to be, a one term wonder after all.      Smiley
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Reply #3 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:11am
 
I would love to know when the polls go south for Abbott and he becomes unelectable how would the liberal party get rid of him as leader.

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Reply #4 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:23am
 
John S wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:11am:
I would love to know when the polls go south for Abbott and he becomes unelectable how would the liberal party get rid of him as leader.



Some on here were claiming Abbott was unelectable before the election.
And the only way the polls will go bad for him is when the opposition become competent.
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Reply #5 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:26am
 
What a dopey dopey thread. It is an embarrasment to be in the political section.

Do we have a dopey sour grapes section.
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Reply #6 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:28am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:23am:
John S wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:11am:
I would love to know when the polls go south for Abbott and he becomes unelectable how would the liberal party get rid of him as leader.



Some on here were claiming Abbott was unelectable before the election.
And the only way the polls will go bad for him is when the opposition become competent.


That is the problem when you have the worst possible leader - he may accidentally get elected and you end up with a clown as PM.

Stop the boats.
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Reply #7 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:28am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:26am:
What a dopey dopey thread. It is an embarrasment to be in the political section.

Do we have a dopey sour grapes section.



Yes we do - It is sited in Canberra at Parliament House, in the Government part of the Lower and Upper houses.

Look for Julie B
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Reply #8 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:33am
 
We need to take this with a grain of salt here. This 30,000 figure is based on 15 electorates, which is only one-tenth of the electorates in the country. If all of the electorates are included, the actual number of voters that would need to change their minds with a uniform swing is actually about 300,000.

Is this election a landslide? I think so, if we compare this election to past elections and apply consistent criteria.

This election is very similar to the 1983 election, both in terms of the 2PP vote and the percentage of seats won by the winning parties. If the 1983 election was considered a landslide, it is fair to consider this election a landslide too. The 2PP swing (3.60%) and the percentage of seats won by the winning parties (60.0%) are both much the same. The 2PP vote is also very similar (1983 = 53.23%, 2013 = 53.40%).

I think a fair and objective definition of "landslide" is where the 2PP vote of the winning party is 53% or more, and the winning party wins 60% or more of the seats. On these criteria, 1983 and 2013 are both landslides, although at the low end.
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Reply #9 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:34am
 
So the Abbott mess could be removed within six months if only Abbott had the ticker and was able to keep a promise.
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Reply #10 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:43am
 
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So Mr Abbott may turn out to be, a one term wonder after all.      Smiley   

____ wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:34am:
So the Abbott mess could be removed within six months if only Abbott had the ticker and was able to keep a promise.

We need to look at history here.

I've found in previous studies that convincing election wins (landslides, if you will) are often followed by closer elections due to regression towards the mean. But change of governments don't often happen so soon. We have had very few one-term governments in Australia in the past 50 years. There have been none at Federal level, and even at state level they have been rare.

We can hope that Abbott will fall flat on his face, but the electorate will take the reasonable view of letting him do so before passing judgement. So soon after an election, it is best just to wait and see what happens. Don't get personal, but criticise the actions you don't like.
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Reply #11 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:50am
 
Bam wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:33am:
We need to take this with a grain of salt here. This 30,000 figure is based on 15 electorates, which is only one-tenth of the electorates in the country. If all of the electorates are included, the actual number of voters that would need to change their minds with a uniform swing is actually about 300,000.

Is this election a landslide? I think so, if we compare this election to past elections and apply consistent criteria.

This election is very similar to the 1983 election, both in terms of the 2PP vote and the percentage of seats won by the winning parties. If the 1983 election was considered a landslide, it is fair to consider this election a landslide too. The 2PP swing (3.60%) and the percentage of seats won by the winning parties (60.0%) are both much the same. The 2PP vote is also very similar (1983 = 53.23%, 2013 = 53.40%).

I think a fair and objective definition of "landslide" is where the 2PP vote of the winning party is 53% or more, and the winning party wins 60% or more of the seats. On these criteria, 1983 and 2013 are both landslides, although at the low end.


thank you for this assessment.  Valley-boy and his ilk always come up with these absurd scenarios that somehow claim Abbott would lose the election and now that he could lose easily.  Perhaps this clown could try and work out that labor got just 34% in primary vote and for them to win requires a swing of at least 4 and probably 5 % which is a huge ask.  To simply pick some marginal  like this is truly embarrassing - but totally in character.

on another note, I like to read independentaustralia.org for a laugh.  They were repeatedly saying the polls were WAY OFF and in fact labor were going to win and do so handsomely including picking up 17 seats in QLD.  funnily enough, they aren't talking about it now!!
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Reply #12 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:56am
 
Bam wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:43am:
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So Mr Abbott may turn out to be, a one term wonder after all.      Smiley   

____ wrote on Sep 25th, 2013 at 9:34am:
So the Abbott mess could be removed within six months if only Abbott had the ticker and was able to keep a promise.

We need to look at history here.

I've found in previous studies that convincing election wins (landslides, if you will) are often followed by closer elections due to regression towards the mean. But change of governments don't often happen so soon. We have had very few one-term governments in Australia in the past 50 years. There have been none at Federal level, and even at state level they have been rare.

We can hope that Abbott will fall flat on his face, but the electorate will take the reasonable view of letting him do so before passing judgement. So soon after an election, it is best just to wait and see what happens. Don't get personal, but criticise the actions you don't like.


The closest to a one-term govt was the Gillard one and the argument could certainly be made that it was in fact a one-term govt followed by a one-term 'arrangement.  Whitlam was two terms but still just 3 years.
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Reply #13 - Sep 25th, 2013 at 10:06am
 
Lol I see the conga line are in  denial, they hate facts. How dumb are these tards that they can not comprehend facts in front of them? Thirty thousand to change their vote, should be ready about next Wednesday.
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