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The AGW religion is falling apart at a very fast rate, faster than first anticipated.

With a surety of about 99%..... Cool Cool Cool

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Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis


It is becoming clear that not only do many scientists dispute the asserted global warming crisis, but these skeptical scientists may indeed form a scientific consensus.

Don’t look now, but maybe a scientific consensus exists concerning global warming after all.

Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies.

By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem.

The survey results show geoscientists (also known as earth scientists) and engineers hold similar views as meteorologists.

Two recent surveys of meteorologists (summarized here and here) revealed similar skepticism of alarmist global warming claims.

According to the newly published survey of geoscientists and engineers, merely 36 percent of respondents fit the “Comply with Kyoto” model.

The scientists in this group “express the strong belief that climate change is happening, that it is not a normal cycle of nature, and humans are the main or central cause.”

The authors of the survey report, however, note that the overwhelming majority of scientists fall within four other models, each of which is skeptical of alarmist global warming claims.

The survey finds that 24 percent of the scientist respondents fit the “Nature Is Overwhelming” model. “In their diagnostic framing, they believe that changes to the climate are natural, normal cycles of the Earth.”

Moreover, “they strongly disagree that climate change poses any significant public risk and see no impact on their personal lives.”

Another group of scientists fit the “Fatalists” model. These scientists, comprising 17 percent of the respondents, “diagnose climate change as both human- and naturally caused.

‘Fatalists’ consider climate change to be a smaller public risk with little impact on their personal life. They are skeptical that the scientific debate is settled regarding the IPCC modeling.” These scientists are likely to ask, “How can anyone take action if research is biased?”

The next largest group of scientists, comprising 10 percent of respondents, fit the “Economic Responsibility” model.

These scientists “diagnose climate change as being natural or human caused. More than any other group, they underscore that the ‘real’ cause of climate change is unknown as nature is forever changing and uncontrollable.

Similar to the ‘nature is overwhelming’ adherents, they disagree that climate change poses any significant public risk and see no impact on their personal life.

They are also less likely to believe that the scientific debate is settled and that the IPCC modeling is accurate. In their prognostic framing, they point to the harm the Kyoto Protocol and all regulation will do to the economy.”

The final group of scientists, comprising 5 percent of the respondents, fit the “Regulation Activists” model.

These scientists “diagnose climate change as being both human- and naturally caused, posing a moderate public risk, with only slight impact on their personal life.” Moreover, “They are also skeptical with regard to the scientific debate being settled and are the most indecisive whether IPCC modeling is accurate.”

Taken together, these four skeptical groups numerically blow away the 36 percent of scientists who believe global warming is human caused and a serious concern.

One interesting aspect of this new survey is the unmistakably alarmist bent of the survey takers.

They frequently use terms such as “denier” to describe scientists who are skeptical of an asserted global warming crisis, and they refer to skeptical scientists as “speaking against climate science” rather than “speaking against asserted climate projections.”

Accordingly, alarmists will have a hard time arguing the survey is biased or somehow connected to the ‘vast right-wing climate denial machine.’

Another interesting aspect of this new survey is that it reports on the beliefs of scientists themselves rather than bureaucrats who often publish alarmist statements without polling their member scientists.

We now have meteorologists, geoscientists and engineers all reporting that they are skeptics of an asserted global warming crisis, yet the bureaucrats of these organizations frequently suck up to the media and suck up to government grant providers by trying to tell us the opposite of what their scientist members actually believe.

People who look behind the self-serving statements by global warming alarmists about an alleged “consensus” have always known that no such alarmist consensus exists among scientists.

Now that we have access to hard surveys of scientists themselves, it is becoming clear that not only do many scientists dispute the asserted global warming crisis, but these skeptical scientists may indeed form a scientific consensus.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-ma...

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Reply #1 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:10pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:58pm:
The AGW religion is falling apart at a very fast rate, faster than first anticipated.

With a surety of about 99%..... Cool Cool Cool

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Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-ma...

Which links to a puff-piece by James Taylor. Of James Taylor, sourcewatch says Quote:
Attorney James M. Taylor is managing editor of Environment & Climate News, a national monthly publication produced by the Heartland Institute think tank, and devoted to "sound science and free-market environmentalism," which labels the scientific consensus on climate change as "alarmist." He is also a Senior Fellow for Heartland
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"Taylor received his bachelor’s degree from Dartmouth College and his law degree from the Syracuse University College of Law, where he was president of the local chapter of the Federalist Society and founder and editor-in-chief of the Federalist Voice"; "He has presented environmental analysis on the CBS Evening News, CNN, and Fox News Channel; on numerous national radio programs; and in virtually every major newspaper in the country."
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It is unclear whether Mr. Taylor has any background in climate science.
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Taylor has criticized climate change science through both his own publications and op/eds, and the Heartland Institute, which has consistently received funding from ExxonMobil. [3] While Taylor espouses through Environment and Climate News that climate change is neither a significant nor man-made problem, and that scientists who say it is are environmental extremists, others argue that a "major purpose of the publication has been to look at global warming from industry's perspective" rather than through the viewpoint of real science.

Taylor is the author and coauthor of several articles including "What Climate Scientists Think about Global Warming," "State Greenhouse Gas Programs: An Economic and Scientific Analysis," and "New Source Review: An Evaluation of EPA's Reform Recommendations," each devoted to advancing his climate skeptic viewpoint.

Now, was it peer review or pal review?
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Reply #3 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:26pm
 
# wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:10pm:
Now, was it peer review or pal review?


Beats an email survey asking you two questions and then going on to become consensus....!!!!!!!
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Reply #4 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:39pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:24pm:

Of the Heartland Institute, sourcewatch says Quote:
The Heartland Institute, according to the Institute's web site, is a nonprofit "think tank" that questions the reality and import of climate change, second-hand smoke health hazards, and a host of other issues that might seem to require government regulation. A July 2011 Nature editorial points out the group's lack of credibility:

    "Despite criticizing climate scientists for being overconfident about their data, models and theories, the Heartland Institute proclaims a conspicuous confidence in single studies and grand interpretations....makes many bold assertions that are often questionable or misleading.... Many climate sceptics seem to review scientific data and studies not as scientists but as attorneys, magnifying doubts and treating incomplete explanations as falsehoods rather than signs of progress towards the truth. ... The Heartland Institute and its ilk are not trying to build a theory of anything. They have set the bar much lower, and are happy muddying the waters."

Ajax wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:24pm:

Of James Taylor, sourcewatch says Quote:
Attorney James M. Taylor is managing editor of Environment & Climate News, a national monthly publication produced by the Heartland Institute think tank, and devoted to "sound science and free-market environmentalism," which labels the scientific consensus on climate change as "alarmist." He is also a Senior Fellow for Heartland
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"Taylor received his bachelor’s degree from Dartmouth College and his law degree from the Syracuse University College of Law, where he was president of the local chapter of the Federalist Society and founder and editor-in-chief of the Federalist Voice"; "He has presented environmental analysis on the CBS Evening News, CNN, and Fox News Channel; on numerous national radio programs; and in virtually every major newspaper in the country."
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It is unclear whether Mr. Taylor has any background in climate science.
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Taylor has criticized climate change science through both his own publications and op/eds, and the Heartland Institute, which has consistently received funding from ExxonMobil. [3] While Taylor espouses through Environment and Climate News that climate change is neither a significant nor man-made problem, and that scientists who say it is are environmental extremists, others argue that a "major purpose of the publication has been to look at global warming from industry's perspective" rather than through the viewpoint of real science.

Taylor is the author and coauthor of several articles including "What Climate Scientists Think about Global Warming," "State Greenhouse Gas Programs: An Economic and Scientific Analysis," and "New Source Review: An Evaluation of EPA's Reform Recommendations," each devoted to advancing his climate skeptic viewpoint.

The study in question is in the journal Organization Studies. I can't vouch for its bona fides. If Ajax is running true to form, it's less peer review than pal review.
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Reply #5 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:49pm
 
# wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:39pm:
I can't vouch for its bona fides. If Ajax is running true to form, it's less peer review than pal review.


Whatever....?

Its out there...that's all that matters....!

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Reply #6 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:51pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:49pm:
# wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:39pm:
I can't vouch for its bona fides. If Ajax is running true to form, it's less peer review than pal review.


Whatever....?

Its out there...that's all that matters....!

When it's convincingly established that the majority of the best qualified say there's no risk, I'll stop worrying.
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Reply #7 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:57pm
 
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Evidence, not consensus, is what counts


My latest (and last) Mind and Matter column in the Wall Street Journal:

Last week a friend chided me for not agreeing with the scientific consensus that climate change is likely to be dangerous. I responded that, according to polls, the "consensus" about climate change only extends to the propositions that it has been happening and is partly man-made, both of which I readily agree with. Forecasts show huge uncertainty.

Besides, science does not respect consensus. There was once widespread agreement about phlogiston (a nonexistent element said to be a crucial part of combustion), eugenics, the impossibility of continental drift, the idea that genes were made of protein (not DNA) and stomach ulcers were caused by stress, and so forth—all of which proved false. Science, Richard Feyman once said, is "the belief in the ignorance of experts.

My friend objected that I seemed to follow the herd on matters like the reality of evolution and the safety of genetically modified crops, so why not on climate change? Ah, said I, but I don't. I agree with the majority view on evolution, not because it is a majority view but because I have looked at evidence. It's the data that convince me, not the existence of a consensus.

My friend said that I could not possibly have had time to check all the evidence for and against evolution, so I must be taking others' words for it. No, I said, I take on trust others' word that their facts are correct, but I judge their interpretations myself, with no thought as to how popular they are. (Much as I admire Charles Darwin, I get fidgety when his fans start implying he is infallible. If I want infallibility, I will join the Catholic Church.)

And that is where the problem lies with climate change. A decade ago, I was persuaded by two pieces of data to drop my skepticism and accept that dangerous climate change was likely. The first, based on the Vostok ice core, was a graph showing carbon dioxide and temperature varying in lock step over the last half million years. The second, the famous "hockey stick" graph, showed recent temperatures shooting up faster and higher than at any time in the past millennium.

Within a few years, however, I discovered that the first of these graphs told the opposite story from what I had inferred. In the ice cores, it is now clear that temperature drives changes in the level of carbon dioxide, not vice versa.

As for the "hockey stick" graph, it was effectively critiqued by Steven McIntyre, a Canadian businessman with a mathematical interest in climatology. He showed that the graph depended heavily on unreliable data, especially samples of tree rings from bristlecone pine trees, the growth patterns of which were often not responding to temperature at all. It also depended on a type of statistical filter that overweighted any samples showing sharp rises in the 20th century.


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http://rationaloptimist.com/blog/i-may-follow-the-crowd,-but-not-because-it's-a-...
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Reply #8 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:53pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:57pm:
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Evidence, not consensus, is what counts

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the rest here
http://rationaloptimist.com/blog/i-may-follow-the-crowd,-but-not-because-it's-a-...
That link is to the blog of Matt Ridley. Of Matt Ridley, Sourcewatch says Quote:
Climate expertise unclear

It is unclear what expertise Mr. Ridley has developed that leaves him more qualified to assess climate science than 97% of actively publishing climate scientists.

2011 "skeptic bingo" denier speech

A speech Ridley gave in 2011 was "a textbook Gish Gallop, full of false claims, logical fallacies, and trivially true but irrelevant “facts”. It was...“skeptic” bingo", reported the host of the blog The Way Things Break; he characterized Ridley as "a techno-optimist of the Lomborgian mold", and debunked a few of Ridley's claims[3], noting inconsistencies and errors like:

    "Ridley wants us to know that the climate changed rapidly in the past- but yet we’re also supposed to believe that climate sensitivity is very small. He also flubs basic concepts- equilibrium sensitivity is not the same thing as transient sensitivity..."

Associations

Ridley sits on the advisory councils of the British lobby groups Sense About Science and Reform.

He is also on the Academic Advisory Council of the denialist Global Warming Policy Foundation[4]

Northern Rock bank failure

The failure of Northern Rock was the first run on a British Bank since 1878. Under his chairmanship, the bank pursued what the Treasury select committee later described as a "high-risk, reckless business strategy".[5] MPs identified the directors of Northern Rock as "the principal authors of the difficulties that the company has faced". They singled Ridley out for having failed "to provide against the risks that [Northern Rock] was taking and to act as an effective restraining force on the strategy of the executive members".

I should add that, to one who doesn't pretend to know how to find all of the necessary data, let alone analyse and interpret it, where the majority opinion lies is just about all there is.
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Reply #9 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 4:15pm
 
Muso, the volume of questionable "science" is increasing. It's supported by an increasingly sophisticated infrastructure that seems to lend credibility, where credibility isn't due.

Would you consider a sticky, giving guidance on assessing the bonafides of references, journals, etc? Something like http://barnardonwind.com/2013/06/27/how-should-you-assess-the-quality-of-a-wind-..., but focused on climate science.
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# wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 4:15pm:
Muso, the volume of questionable "science" is increasing. It's supported by an increasingly sophisticated infrastructure that seems to lend credibility, where credibility isn't due.

Would you consider a sticky, giving guidance on assessing the bonafides of references, journals, etc? Something like http://barnardonwind.com/2013/06/27/how-should-you-assess-the-quality-of-a-wind-..., but focused on climate science.


Show me one piece of evidence that Anthropogenic Global Warming is solely responsible for the warming in the last 100 years.......?????

Just one.........?????
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Reply #11 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 5:13pm
 
# wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:39pm:
The study in question is in the journal Organization Studies. I can't vouch for its bona fides. If Ajax is running true to form, it's less peer review than pal review.


What Ajax's link does not tell us is that the study in question was merely a survey of the members of the Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists and Geophysicists of Alberta (APEGGA) - a professional body for the mining industry.

And even considering this - the heading:
"Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis"

is simply a lie

Firstly:
Some 70% of the respondents were mining engineers.  Not scientists. 

Secondly:
the majority of the respondents actually acknowledge that athhropogenic emissions are impacting upon climate.  Only 27.4 percent of these Albertan mining professionals are deniers like Ajax.

http://www.apegga.org/Environment/reports/ClimateChangesurveyreport.pdf

Give up Ajax.  Your nonsense is getting more and more pathetic.
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Reply #12 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 5:17pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 4:56pm:
# wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 4:15pm:
Muso, the volume of questionable "science" is increasing. It's supported by an increasingly sophisticated infrastructure that seems to lend credibility, where credibility isn't due.

Would you consider a sticky, giving guidance on assessing the bonafides of references, journals, etc? Something like http://barnardonwind.com/2013/06/27/how-should-you-assess-the-quality-of-a-wind-..., but focused on climate science.


Show me one piece of evidence that Anthropogenic Global Warming is solely responsible for the warming in the last 100 years.......?????

Just one.........?????


Oh dear.

Firstly - no one has ever claimed that "Anthropogenic Global Warming is solely responsible for the warming in the last 100 years".

Please stop trying to build silly straw men.

However - if you would like  one piece of evidence that most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations - how about stratospheric cooling?

Explain to us why the earth is warming yet the stratosphere is cooling, if it isntt due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations?

Could you do that?
Without making things up?
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Reply #13 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 7:15pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 5:13pm:
# wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:39pm:
The study in question is in the journal Organization Studies. I can't vouch for its bona fides. If Ajax is running true to form, it's less peer review than pal review.


What Ajax's link does not tell us is that the study in question was merely a survey of the members of the Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists and Geophysicists of Alberta (APEGGA) - a professional body for the mining industry.

And even considering this - the heading:
"Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis"

is simply a lie

Firstly:
Some 70% of the respondents were mining engineers.  Not scientists. 

Secondly:
the majority of the respondents actually acknowledge that athhropogenic emissions are impacting upon climate.  Only 27.4 percent of these Albertan mining professionals are deniers like Ajax.

http://www.apegga.org/Environment/reports/ClimateChangesurveyreport.pdf

Give up Ajax.  Your nonsense is getting more and more pathetic.

It took me a while to notice that the article which is the subject of the opening post is more than six months old.

That set me wondering why it has sunk without trace. Not even the denyosphere is promoting it.

So I searched Skeptical Science for the name of the lead author of the study. The only relevant hit was this comment Quote:
     
Charles0853 at 10:48 AM on 17 February, 2013

It has been gratifying to see how many have pointed out Mr. Taylor's egregious interpretations of the Lefsrud and Meyer study, including seeing the authors of the study politely but firmly insist his interpretation was erroneous. Taylor has tried this tactic before, most recently with his "analysis" of a suvey of members of the American Meteorological Society.

The editors of Forbes should be aware that Mr. Taylor's articles are providing rich fodder for those of us in the academy who wish to teach our students how not to interpret science.

Ajax, check your sources.
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Reply #14 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 7:23pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 5:17pm:
Oh dear.

Firstly - no one has ever claimed that [i]"Anthropogenic Global Warming is solely responsible for the warming in the last 100 years".

Please stop trying to build silly straw men.

However - if you would like  one piece of evidence that most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations - how about stratospheric cooling?


Hey rabbit you been on the turps mate....???

Quote:
IPCC say it is at least 95 percent likely that human activities – chiefly the burning of fossil fuels – are the main cause of warming since the 1950s
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rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 5:17pm:
Explain to us why the earth is warming yet the stratosphere is cooling, if it isntt due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations?


The stratosphere warms and cools with the amount of sun light it recieves.

As far as I know greenhouse gases like CO2 and NOx deflect incoming sun rays helping to cool the Earth in the stratosphere while at the same time trapping the energy that has filtered through and deflecting back to the Earth helping keep the lower atmosphere warm.

Have you got a new revelation...??????

I'm all ears.......!!!!!!

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