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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #150 - Oct 7th, 2013 at 9:16pm
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 2:46pm:
The argument about doing something about man made climate change just in case its real is a silly one because no matter how much effort we did put in it would actually make no difference at all, without oodles of free public money not a single co2 abatement scheme would exist and even as we speak all the governments of the worlds attempts at propping up useless co2 reduction schemes are currently in free fall as eventually all that free taxpayers money has to run out eventually and now it has.
Adding up was never a global warming hysterics strong point, unfortunately they firmly believe that there is absolutely no end to free taxpayers money to prop up idiotic green schemes, unfortunately this is just not the case.

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is.  It wouldn't be there without the tax payer.  Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know....  (swaggy) *
 
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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #151 - Oct 7th, 2013 at 9:18pm
 
Vuk11 wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 6:31pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 6:23pm:
Brilliant scam the rich have hey?



It is brilliant, people work to make them rich, then they use this to control the people making them rich, so they can make them even richer. Cheesy crazy!


The top 1% became 30% richer post Global financial Crisis (between 2008 to 2011)

Interesting during a time of global collapse and lack of confidence not seen since the great depression, the top 1% actually became wealthier, whilst almost everybody else became poor, less secure, more indebted, or lost their jobs, their homes etc.,

That's what happens when you socialise risk and privatise profit in a Corporatised capitalist system. The states incur all the debt whilst the top end of town and corporate banking royalty (the very people who trigger these crashes) get bailed out and receive welfare courtesy of the tax payer.

So when you hear AUSTERITY measures or economic terms such as quantitative easing, WATCH OUT - the rich are coming to empty your pockets and funnel your retirement benefits

One must wonder whether these boom bust cycles are manufactured
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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #152 - Oct 7th, 2013 at 9:19pm
 
Vuk11 wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 6:31pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 6:23pm:
Brilliant scam the rich have hey?



It is brilliant, people work to make them rich, then they use this to control the people making them rich, so they can make them even richer. Cheesy crazy!

wow, what a revelation: the rich don't throw away their money! One wonders how they ever got rich in the first??

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #153 - Oct 7th, 2013 at 9:29pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 9:19pm:
Vuk11 wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 6:31pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 6:23pm:
Brilliant scam the rich have hey?



It is brilliant, people work to make them rich, then they use this to control the people making them rich, so they can make them even richer. Cheesy crazy!

wow, what a revelation: the rich don't throw away their money! One wonders how they ever got rich in the first??

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Don't you know how they become rich?

Look at Royalty - do nothing, lie and cheat, stay on social welfare for centuries

Brilliant scam - its called fascism

And you as a slave to it, cant even see the chains around your limbs you floating weasel dropping
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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #154 - Oct 7th, 2013 at 10:35pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 9:18pm:
The top 1% became 30% richer post Global financial Crisis (between 2008 to 2011)

Interesting during a time of global collapse and lack of confidence not seen since the great depression, the top 1% actually became wealthier, whilst almost everybody else became poor, less secure, more indebted, or lost their jobs, their homes etc.,

That's what happens when you socialise risk and privatise profit in a Corporatised capitalist system. The states incur all the debt whilst the top end of town and corporate banking royalty (the very people who trigger these crashes) get bailed out and receive welfare courtesy of the tax payer.

So when you hear AUSTERITY measures or economic terms such as quantitative easing, WATCH OUT - the rich are coming to empty your pockets and funnel your retirement benefits

One must wonder whether these boom bust cycles are manufactured


The creation, exploitation and manipulation of bubbles is the creation of wealth today.  It would be great if everyone was free to do that, however they have such increased control over specifically due to what you state above! I love also the point about the people that cause these issues are bailed out not the poor f*cks losing their home in direct causation to their actions! Smiley Nice post btw.
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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #155 - Oct 7th, 2013 at 11:18pm
 
Vuk11 wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 10:35pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 9:18pm:
The top 1% became 30% richer post Global financial Crisis (between 2008 to 2011)

Interesting during a time of global collapse and lack of confidence not seen since the great depression, the top 1% actually became wealthier, whilst almost everybody else became poor, less secure, more indebted, or lost their jobs, their homes etc.,

That's what happens when you socialise risk and privatise profit in a Corporatised capitalist system. The states incur all the debt whilst the top end of town and corporate banking royalty (the very people who trigger these crashes) get bailed out and receive welfare courtesy of the tax payer.

So when you hear AUSTERITY measures or economic terms such as quantitative easing, WATCH OUT - the rich are coming to empty your pockets and funnel your retirement benefits

One must wonder whether these boom bust cycles are manufactured


The creation, exploitation and manipulation of bubbles is the creation of wealth today.  It would be great if everyone was free to do that, however they have such increased control over specifically due to what you state above! I love also the point about the people that cause these issues are bailed out not the poor f*cks losing their home in direct causation to their actions! Smiley Nice post btw.


....well it's often referred to as corporate socialism/welfare.

I recall stumbling on a quote, saying that there were 3 major forms of fascism to emerge from the 20th century. Bolshevism, nazism and corporatism.

Capitalism is often coupled with democracy. A totally fabricated association used for propaganda purposes. Just to give you an example. The USA is a corporately run pseudo capitalist system, whilst china is a state run pseudo capitalist system. Both are totalitarian in essence and anti democratic. Both rely on propaganda, fear and force to protect the Corpocracy and tyranny that enslaves its population.

Democracy is an Ancient Greek concept. It comes from the words demos (citizen) and kratia (state), that is the state is controlled by the citizenry. I can't see that in china or in the USA. Or in Australia or Greece for that matter.

A very good recent book on corporatism is by an American author

Gary Brumback, "the devils marriage: break up the Corpocracy or leave democracy in the lurch"

It highlights that the USA has had 5 major non democratic corpocratic periods since its inception in the 1770s.

He describes the current Corpocracy in the USA as the most pervasive and difficult to over throw.

Fascism always falls over, thankfully, but not before it creates a lot of damage and human carnage.

The ingenious part of these fascist corpocracies is that most of the enslaved citizenry actually believe they are free and live in a democracy. They can't see the chains. They can't see the bars on their windows.

But eventually enough of them wake up, enough of them take back what was taken from them.

That will happen in the USA, most likely in our life times


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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #156 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 12:12am
 
sound familiar..?

sadly..yes it does CL..

and any change will only occur through great upheavals to the way it is now.

hard to imagine..?
not really...
think about it... 
people all over our earth are being utilised, and then abandoned.. by the corporations. Not us  YET..!  ?? 
No ?  .. think again.

At this time I won't give them the capital C...  CORPORATIONS.
But it won't be long before the real power in this
money-grubbing world-wide economy..

(which used to be a planet that was home to us all... but is now just another asset to be used for profit) .. 

is finally recognised by the PEOPLE.

What'll happen .. if we ever do wake up ?  Sad is not something I like to consider.

  The variables mean nothing is certain... nowhere is safe....

..and we think we are the pinnacle of evolution..??

No.. we may well  prove we are a branch of the tree of life..  soon to be truncated  diseased  and defunct. Sad

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #157 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 12:18am
 
Emma wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 12:12am:
sound familiar..?

sadly..yes it does CL..

and any change will only occur through great upheavals to the way it is now.

hard to imagine..?
not really...
think about it... 
people all over our earth are being utilised, and then abandoned.. by the corporations. Not us  YET..!  ?? 
No ?  .. think again.

At this time I won't give them the capital C...  CORPORATIONS.
But it won't be long before the real power in this
money-grubbing world-wide economy..

(which used to be a planet that was home to us all... but is now just another asset to be used for profit) .. 

is finally recognised by the PEOPLE.

What'll happen .. if we ever do wake up ?  Sad is not something I like to consider.

  The variables mean nothing is certain... nowhere is safe....

..and we think we are the pinnacle of evolution..??

No.. we may well  prove we are a branch of the tree of life..  soon to be truncated  diseased  and defunct. Sad



....sentiment many would have empathy with EP
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Reply #158 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 7:16am
 
Hey chimp & EP

How is it that you recognise one form of corporate snake oil but fail to recognise another, namely the AGW religion.

The very same people that drive corporatism all over the world are the same that drive the AGW religion....!!!!!!

Really puzzles me how you recognise one but not the other.

Here are some things to consider.................?????

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/06/7940-bank-of-america-to-donate-50-billion-for-cl...

http://www.worldbank.org/content/dam/Worldbank/document/Climate_Change_Fact_shee...

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2007-05-30-hsbc_n.h...

http://www.citigroup.com/citi/press/2007/070508a.htm

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I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies…If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency…the banks and the corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered..
Thomas Jefferson


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- Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference in Evians, France, 1991
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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #159 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 9:33am
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 2:46pm:
The argument about doing something about man made climate change just in case its real is a silly one because no matter how much effort we did put in it would actually make no difference at all, without oodles of free public money not a single co2 abatement scheme would exist and even as we speak all the governments of the worlds attempts at propping up useless co2 reduction schemes are currently in free fall as eventually all that free taxpayers money has to run out eventually and now it has.
Adding up was never a global warming hysterics strong point, unfortunately they firmly believe that there is absolutely no end to free taxpayers money to prop up idiotic green schemes, unfortunately this is just not the case.


Gee IB you really are desperate to do nothing to come up with an argument like that.  Lets see now, our only reachable home in the universe that is capable of sustaining life is at risk of being trashed and perhaps even rendered unlivable and you you idiot argue that we shouldnt RISK fixing it because it will cost too much.    What about, we should risk fixing it or it will cost too much, perhaps even everything, which is never worth the price.
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Reply #160 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 11:07am
 
Ajax wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 7:16am:
Hey chimp & EP

How is it that you recognise one form of corporate snake oil but fail to recognise another, namely the AGW religion.

The very same people that drive corporatism all over the world are the same that drive the AGW religion....!!!!!!


Of course.

They have feet in both camps. Why thing for profit and power.

They also see the upcoming transition to renewables and sustainability. It's already happening. The big capital works projects will be in this area.

When you live in a fascist Corpocracy, that's how things are done.

So mr Ajax, we have a situation whereby the fossil fuel corporations are doing their usual lobbying, and public spin to prolong their industry. Wars work well too. Haven't you notice how rich Exxon became just from the illegal Iraq invasion?

Behind the scenes they are positioning themselves for the future growth economies.

Exxon for example is one of the worlds biggest investors into bio diesel and algae oil



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Reply #161 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 12:42pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 9:33am:
Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 2:46pm:
The argument about doing something about man made climate change just in case its real is a silly one because no matter how much effort we did put in it would actually make no difference at all, without oodles of free public money not a single co2 abatement scheme would exist and even as we speak all the governments of the worlds attempts at propping up useless co2 reduction schemes are currently in free fall as eventually all that free taxpayers money has to run out eventually and now it has.
Adding up was never a global warming hysterics strong point, unfortunately they firmly believe that there is absolutely no end to free taxpayers money to prop up idiotic green schemes, unfortunately this is just not the case.


Gee IB you really are desperate to do nothing to come up with an argument like that.  Lets see now, our only reachable home in the universe that is capable of sustaining life is at risk of being trashed and perhaps even rendered unlivable and you you idiot argue that we shouldnt RISK fixing it because it will cost too much.    What about, we should risk fixing it or it will cost too much, perhaps even everything, which is never worth the price.   
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You just don't seem to get it, the money will run out before we've even made any practical contribution, its already running out now and we've achieved f#ck all!, the trouble with the left is they think there is no end to free money, thats why obama has almost bankrupted the US. 
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Reply #162 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 1:28pm
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 12:42pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 9:33am:
Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 7th, 2013 at 2:46pm:
The argument about doing something about man made climate change just in case its real is a silly one because no matter how much effort we did put in it would actually make no difference at all, without oodles of free public money not a single co2 abatement scheme would exist and even as we speak all the governments of the worlds attempts at propping up useless co2 reduction schemes are currently in free fall as eventually all that free taxpayers money has to run out eventually and now it has.
Adding up was never a global warming hysterics strong point, unfortunately they firmly believe that there is absolutely no end to free taxpayers money to prop up idiotic green schemes, unfortunately this is just not the case.


Gee IB you really are desperate to do nothing to come up with an argument like that.  Lets see now, our only reachable home in the universe that is capable of sustaining life is at risk of being trashed and perhaps even rendered unlivable and you you idiot argue that we shouldnt RISK fixing it because it will cost too much.    What about, we should risk fixing it or it will cost too much, perhaps even everything, which is never worth the price.   
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You just don't seem to get it, the money will run out before we've even made any practical contribution, its already running out now and we've achieved f#ck all!, the trouble with the left is they think there is no end to free money, thats why obama has almost bankrupted the US. 

OMG its like trying to speak to an automaton trained to say the same thing over and over with no ability to think for itself.  Its not about money a#$&hole. Not everything is about money.  This thing is about the only place in the universe accessible to us that supports life.  If that's gone money wont matter. You understand now; you got it now; the penny dropped yet.   If the system cant deal with the problem that threatens the continuing viability of the only place in the universe that we can practically live in then we need to change the system.  Does Easter Island mean anything to you. Really you come across as absolutely brainwashed or something.  Think for yourself for f$#ksakes. 
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Reply #163 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 3:30pm
 
Dumbf#ck what are you going to use to buy windmills and solar panels with ... clams? ...
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Reply #164 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 4:41pm
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 8th, 2013 at 3:30pm:
Dumbf#ck what are you going to use to buy windmills and solar panels with ... clams? http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/ImaPoser.gif

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Dumbf#ck you think the day the US watched planes fly into the twin towers the first thing they asked themselves was "can we afford what its going to cost to retaliate". Of course not (idiot) and they didn't ask themselves that because
money didn't matter.
Same with Pearl Harbour. You think the morning the US woke up to discover the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour the first thing they said was "Before we declare war on Japan lets do a cost benefit analysis to see if we can afford it" (and can you even begin to imagine how much that war cost in money terms).  Of course not. As far as the USA was concerned was that they were fighting for their survival (and certainly for their freedom) and that being so the issue of money just did not come into the calculation because communities can do these things when they're working for the common good and most certainly when they're fighting for their survival. How absurd it is that your brainwashed mind cant think that its possible for humans to act to save themselves or to save themselves from extreme hardship unless they can afford it in money terms.  You need to do some serious thinking idiot because your early homo sapiens brothers and sisters would have had no difficulty with that concept at all.   

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