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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #30 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:37am

muso wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Im always astounded by the consensus comments as if it proves anything, It in fact proves nothing at all. One fact will defeat 1000 consensual opinions.

Opinion in itself is worthless. Facts backed by verifiable evidence is all that counts.

my point precisely. and since the observable/measurable facts are not in accordance with ACC predictions with you admit it is wrong?

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #31 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:38am

muso wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 6:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

The truly telling word that makes all the change and causes all the debate is ‘catastrophic’. Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change (CACC).

Is that a term used by the IPCC? I did a search of www.ipcc.ch for the terms "Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change" and "Catastrophic Climate Change".

Neither of these terms are used. They do talk about the increasing frequency of catastrophic weather events. Is that what you mean?

Of course the IPCC don't use that term. they use ACC but then invoke the notion of catastrophe. What precisely do you see as the difference?

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105488 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #32 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:42am Longy wants our cities to be like Beijing:
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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #33 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:43am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 1:17am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 1:09am:

Longweekend thinks that billions of tons of stinking coal
can be put into the atmosphere & nothing will happen.

People like him should not be risking our climate.
What if Longweekend is wrong?

I suppose Longy will be dead & gone before his theory can be tested so he won't have to worry.

I'd like to think that we leave this planet in good shape for future generations.

longy and his/her/it's foreign investor interests don't care about the kids and that is the way it's always been!

People have kids for no reason: not all but some.. and some is all it takes! Wink

They don't even believe climate change aint happening: they are just stalling until the new business paradigm is made clear and they play the same null hypotheis game science itself plays! The rich methodically work out the truth just as science does-->> it's an art form!

Cool

Longy is crazy.

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #34 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 10:43am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:37am:

muso wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Im always astounded by the consensus comments as if it proves anything, It in fact proves nothing at all. One fact will defeat 1000 consensual opinions.

Opinion in itself is worthless. Facts backed by verifiable evidence is all that counts.

my point precisely. and since the observable/measurable facts are not in accordance with ACC predictions with you admit it is wrong?

Provide an example, including expected error. Obviously if you're talking about a specific scenario, you'd need to demonstrate that the past history matched that particular scenario.

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #35 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 10:45am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

muso wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 6:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

The truly telling word that makes all the change and causes all the debate is ‘catastrophic’. Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change (CACC).

Is that a term used by the IPCC? I did a search of www.ipcc.ch for the terms "Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change" and "Catastrophic Climate Change".

Neither of these terms are used. They do talk about the increasing frequency of catastrophic weather events. Is that what you mean?

Of course the IPCC don't use that term. they use ACC but then invoke the notion of catastrophe. What precisely do you see as the difference?

Well if you're stating that you don't believe a premise, it makes sense that you define that premise accurately. Otherwise, you're using a strawman. You're being "alarmist". I think that's the word you use.

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Premise - That car just passed that bicyle.

Strawman response - Can you prove that the car was doing 100km/hr?

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105488 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #36 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 11:21am Notice Longy has run away from his own thread?
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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #37 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 12:07pm

muso wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

muso wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 6:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

The truly telling word that makes all the change and causes all the debate is ‘catastrophic’. Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change (CACC).

Is that a term used by the IPCC? I did a search of www.ipcc.ch for the terms "Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change" and "Catastrophic Climate Change".

Neither of these terms are used. They do talk about the increasing frequency of catastrophic weather events. Is that what you mean?

Of course the IPCC don't use that term. they use ACC but then invoke the notion of catastrophe. What precisely do you see as the difference?

Well if you're stating that you don't believe a premise, it makes sense that you define that premise accurately. Otherwise, you're using a strawman. You're being "alarmist". I think that's the word you use.

Illustration:

Premise - That car just passed that bicyle.

Strawman response - Can you prove that the car was doing 100km/hr?

or can you prove that the bicycle wasn't going backwards Cheesy

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #38 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 3:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

...
CC is obvious. ACC is pretty certain although the degree of effect is very debatable. But CACC is where you lost me.
...

OK, so you believe there's no risk of the worst-case scenario.

I hope you're right. We're running the experiment while living in the test tube.

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #39 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 4:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

Longy wants our cities to be like Beijing:

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news-700/Beijing-s-Ongoing-Smog-Crisi...

https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/1/14/1358...

that's not CLIMATE CHANGE you immense drongo. that's POLLUTION, the like of which the West cleared up 40 years ago. Grow a brain.

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #40 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 4:33pm

muso wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:37am:

muso wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 27^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Im always astounded by the consensus comments as if it proves anything, It in fact proves nothing at all. One fact will defeat 1000 consensual opinions.

Opinion in itself is worthless. Facts backed by verifiable evidence is all that counts.

my point precisely. and since the observable/measurable facts are not in accordance with ACC predictions with you admit it is wrong?

Provide an example, including expected error. Obviously if you're talking about a specific scenario, you'd need to demonstrate that the past history matched that particular scenario.

temperature predictions: way off
sea level predictions: way off
polar ice predictions: way off

is that a good enough start for you?

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #41 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 4:34pm

# wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1380242167/0#0 date=1380242166]...
CC is obvious. ACC is pretty certain although the degree of effect is very debatable. But CACC is where you lost me.
...[/quote]OK, so you believe there's no risk of the worst-case scenario.

I hope you're right. We're running the experiment while living in the test tube.

no I don't. worst case scenarios are rarely ever true anyhow and given this hypothesis cant even reach the best case scenario then why take it seriously?

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #42 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 4:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

Longy wants our cities to be like Beijing:

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news-700/Beijing-s-Ongoing-Smog-Crisi...

https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/1/14/1358...

that's not CLIMATE CHANGE you immense drongo. that's POLLUTION, the like of which the West cleared up 40 years ago. Grow a brain.

LOL

A classic.

Mind you, with the amount of misinformation and outright lies that the alarmists put out there, it's no wonder some people get sucked into believing it's all the same thing.

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #43 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 5:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 9:42am:

Longy wants our cities to be like Beijing:

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news-700/Beijing-s-Ongoing-Smog-Crisi...

https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/1/14/1358...

that's not CLIMATE CHANGE you immense drongo. that's POLLUTION, the like of which the West cleared up 40 years ago. Grow a brain.

LOL

A classic.

Mind you, with the amount of misinformation and outright lies that the alarmists put out there, it's no wonder some people get sucked into believing it's all the same thing.

well booby would still look stupid in a group of fools. China needs to clean up its act just as the West did decades ago.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #44 - Sep 28^th, 2013 at 5:09pm You do realise that these aerosols are one of the main factors that are keeping temperature rise on the lower range of expectations?
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