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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #60 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 9:11pm

Emma wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 9:09pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

Sea levels have been rising since around the 1800's when we started to climb out of the mini ice age by temperature going up.

Temperatures have been rising since the 1800's.

Its only natural that temperature co2 and ocean levels rise.

The question that everyone should be asking is how much of the warming is actually due to manmade CO2
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er wasn't it just on the News ?? yesterday..??

did you miss it..?

The keyword is "actually".

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #61 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 10:22pm What alternative do you propose for the warming ?
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25012 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #62 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 10:56pm 0.89 degree increase in temperatures over the last 100 years. No wonder people consider global warming to be crap.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #63 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 11:06pm It only started to kick in around 1960 or so. Nobody is talking about the last 100 years.
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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #64 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 11:35pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 10:56pm: 0.89 degree increase in temperatures over the last 100 years. No wonder people consider global warming to be crap. You may as well say 0.89 deg C in 1000 years
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Reply #65 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:57am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 11:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 10:56pm:

0.89 degree increase in temperatures over the last 100 years. No wonder people consider global warming to be crap.

You may as well say 0.89 deg C in 1000 years

Given that it has been cooling for most of that time, it makes sense.

Chart from AR5. This is the global version. Some of the Northern hemisphere studies show a more pronounced Medieval warming.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #66 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 7:13am This graph shows all the Northern Hemisphere studies, including some of the ones Ajax quoted. Some specific regions show a pronounced Medieval warming. It's interesting to see the non cherrypicked data.
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Reply #67 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 7:24am

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 10:56pm:

0.89 degree increase in temperatures over the last 100 years. No wonder people consider global warming to be crap.

- and yet you get people talking about the Medieval Warming when Vikings lived in Greenland and grapes were grown in Southern England because it was so warm. That was less than today's temperatures but it was regarded as significant. Well, they are making pretty good wines again in Southern England. They have been for a few years now.

0.89 degrees is not too bad. Wait until you see 2 degrees. At the rate at which CO2 is being pumped into the atmosphere, that's not far away.

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Reply #68 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 12:43pm

muso wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:57am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 11:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 10:56pm:

0.89 degree increase in temperatures over the last 100 years. No wonder people consider global warming to be crap.

You may as well say 0.89 deg C in 1000 years

Given that it has been cooling for most of that time, it makes sense.

Chart from AR5. This is the global version. Some of the Northern hemisphere studies show a more pronounced Medieval warming.

That kick in the temperature towards the end looks very ominous Mr muso

Gee I wonder if Mr Ajax has any ideas about what could be driving that thermal perturbation?

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #69 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 1:23pm It must be the er.... recovery from the little ice age...that's it. The Earth just kept on Warming. It was magic I tell you. Of course the temperature records show an apparent cooling, but never let the facts get in the ways of a sacred ideology. The Boltites have a very strong faith.
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Reply #70 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 2:07pm

muso wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 1:23pm:

It must be the er.... recovery from the little ice age...that's it.

The Earth just kept on Warming. It was magic I tell you.

Of course the temperature records show an apparent cooling, but never let the facts get in the ways of a sacred ideology. The Boltites have a very strong faith.

Faith is a wound healed by knowledge.

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #71 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm

Grey wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 2:07pm:

muso wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 1:23pm:

It must be the er.... recovery from the little ice age...that's it.

The Earth just kept on Warming. It was magic I tell you.

Of course the temperature records show an apparent cooling, but never let the facts get in the ways of a sacred ideology. The Boltites have a very strong faith.

Faith is a wound healed by knowledge.

I have a strong personal sense of faith in the pillars of science and mathematics.

In fact in today's world the majority of priests are scientists and we have been swamped with churches that are commonly referred to as laboratories.

My only concern is the religious faith exhibited by 95% of the worlds Nobel prize winners.

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Reply #72 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 4:18pm

Arctic Sea Ice projections from the AR5 WG1 Technical summary. Note - Final Draft only:

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Figure TS.17:

Northern Hemisphere sea-ice extent in September over the late 20th century and the whole 21st century for the scenarios RCP2.6, RCP4.5, RCP6.0 and RCP8.5 in the CMIP5 models, and corresponding maps of multi-model results in 2081–2100 of Northern Hemisphere September sea ice extent. In the time series, the number of CMIP5
models to calculate the multi-model mean is indicated (subset in brackets). Time series are given as 5 year running
means. The projected mean sea ice extent of a subset of models that most closely reproduce the climatological mean state and 1979
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2012 trend of the Arctic sea ice is given (solid lines), with the min-max range of the subset indicated with shading. Black (grey shading) is the modelled historical evolution using historical reconstructed forcings. The CMIP5 multi-model mean is indicated with dashed lines.

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #73 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 4:35pm

muso wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 4:18pm:

Arctic Sea Ice projections from the AR5 WG1 Technical summary. Note - Final Draft only:

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Figure TS.17:

Northern Hemisphere sea-ice extent in September over the late 20th century and the whole 21st century for the scenarios RCP2.6, RCP4.5, RCP6.0 and RCP8.5 in the CMIP5 models, and corresponding maps of multi-model results in 2081–2100 of Northern Hemisphere September sea ice extent. In the time series, the number of CMIP5
models to calculate the multi-model mean is indicated (subset in brackets). Time series are given as 5 year running
means. The projected mean sea ice extent of a subset of models that most closely reproduce the climatological mean state and 1979
‒
2012 trend of the Arctic sea ice is given (solid lines), with the min-max range of the subset indicated with shading. Black (grey shading) is the modelled historical evolution using historical reconstructed forcings. The CMIP5 multi-model mean is indicated with dashed lines.

Is there data available concerning the volume of Ice loss?

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #74 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 5:03pm There is. It's in the Technical Summary. You can find it using search on your pdf reader. It's actually mass in Gt, but it's close enough to assume 1 tonne = 1 cubic metre.
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