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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #75 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 5:26pm

muso wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 5:03pm:

There is. It's in the Technical Summary. You can find it using search on your pdf reader. It's actually mass in Gt, but it's close enough to assume 1 tonne = 1 cubic metre.

The reason I ask, is because the area ice loss, whilst a good indicator, can sometimes not reflect how much actual ice mass is lost globally

thin fringe ice areas can vanish relatively quickly giving rise to high rates of ice loss on an area basis. Likewise ice can build up in areas without actually changing the total ice area.

I tend to look at changes in net volumes or mass rather than area although ice cover is important in eco systems all around the world and even with artic transport etc

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #76 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:25pm I think this is what you're after. It's a cumulative plot as you can see.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #77 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:35pm This is what it looks like from 2003 to 2012. Not a bad visualisation.
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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #78 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:51pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 5:26pm:

muso wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 5:03pm:

There is. It's in the Technical Summary. You can find it using search on your pdf reader. It's actually mass in Gt, but it's close enough to assume 1 tonne = 1 cubic metre.

The reason I ask, is because the area ice loss, whilst a good indicator, can sometimes not reflect how much actual ice mass is lost globally

thin fringe ice areas can vanish relatively quickly giving rise to high rates of ice loss on an area basis. Likewise ice can build up in areas without actually changing the total ice area.

I tend to look at changes in net volumes or mass rather than area although ice cover is important in eco systems all around the world and even with artic transport etc

Of course: ice extent is receding but the poles are getting thicker... so you are right to question the volume as area is completely next to worthless although it still indicates change however- which is of course interesting in it's own sake and infact the process being examined!!

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #79 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:55pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJchayYlr-c

S'all in the amount of reflection from the ice surface.. less reflection back out into outer space, more temperature ....all a coefficient of area and not volume..

Just holding up my end of the conversation here - I haven't a clue.... but it sounds good. Roll Eyes

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #80 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:58pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:55pm:

Just holding up my end of the conversation here - I haven't a clue.... but it sounds good. Roll Eyes

Post a nice little graph, and follow it up with something along the lines of "destroying the future of my kids, and my kids' kids", and you'll be fine.

Just make sure the graph is colourful though.

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #81 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:59pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 10:56pm:

0.89 degree increase in temperatures over the last 100 years. No wonder people consider global warming to be crap.

Temperature is an indicator of the heat content of a system! You really have no idea what .89 degrees can do over a given time period.... let alone if this continues Shocked

or indeed accelerates... or indeed is hidden through phase changign of the ice etc... you simply have no idea Shocked

Once again we are doing the three-thousand and fifty two billion word dance because some righty free-market liar who just also happens to hate all children including the unborn is pretending he doesn't understand the importance of RATES-OF-CHANGE!

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #82 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 7:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 4:34pm:

# wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1380242167/0#0 date=1380242166]...
CC is obvious. ACC is pretty certain although the degree of effect is very debatable. But CACC is where you lost me.
...[/quote]OK, so you believe there's no risk of the worst-case scenario.

I hope you're right. We're running the experiment while living in the test tube.

worst case scenarios are rarely ever true anyhow

That's not true.
When all the yahoo mob turned up here they said "wait until longweekend turns up.. You won't believe what a doofus he is"
And that worse case scenario happened.

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #83 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 7:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:55pm:

Just holding up my end of the conversation here - I haven't a clue.... but it sounds good. Roll Eyes

Post a nice little graph, and follow it up with something along the lines of "destroying the future of my kids, and my kids' kids", and you'll be fine.

Just make sure the graph is colourful though.

Mr Bolt doesn't bother with graphs at all - your Hero and Mentor

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #84 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 10:13pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 11:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 10:56pm:

0.89 degree increase in temperatures over the last 100 years. No wonder people consider global warming to be crap.

You may as well say 0.89 deg C in 1000 years

I saw an 8 degree change in the weather the other week. Didn't see the oceans evaporate and make heavy thunderstorms come our way. Ice will still freeze at zero celsius, and a 0.89 rise over 100 years won't melt the ice any faster to bring about accelerated erosion and flooding.

Like was pointed out, the ocean levels have dropped recently because all the rain from 2010/2011 still hasn't made it's way out into the oceans, and is still soaked up inside the Australian continent.

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #85 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 10:22pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:59pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 10:56pm:

0.89 degree increase in temperatures over the last 100 years. No wonder people consider global warming to be crap.

Temperature is an indicator of the heat content of a system! You really have no idea what .89 degrees can do over a given time period.... let alone if this continues Shocked

or indeed accelerates... or indeed is hidden through phase changign of the ice etc... you simply have no idea Shocked

Once again we are doing the three-thousand and fifty two billion word dance because some righty free-market liar who just also happens to hate all children including the unborn is pretending he doesn't understand the importance of RATES-OF-CHANGE!

Was going to ignore this, but I couldn't stop laughing at your hysteria. Then I came across the whole "righty-who-kills-unborn-children" part, and wondered if it was also directed at me.

I'm sure when you set your airconditioner at 0.89 degrees lower than what's recommended, you would see some marginal increase in your next quarterly electricity bill. However, that 0.89 degree increase in global temperatures, will also be 0.89 degrees that's also absorbed into the earth, the oceans, and our solar panels -- motivated into perceived needed existence by your chicken little cronies. I'm sure the extra evaporation from the oceans would offset the evaporation on land, with increased shower activity, and the plants and animals would have adjusted by now.

Go hug a tree and be friends with the forest somewhere else.

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #86 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 10:45pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 10:22pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 6:59pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 10:56pm:

0.89 degree increase in temperatures over the last 100 years. No wonder people consider global warming to be crap.

Temperature is an indicator of the heat content of a system! You really have no idea what .89 degrees can do over a given time period.... let alone if this continues Shocked

or indeed accelerates... or indeed is hidden through phase changign of the ice etc... you simply have no idea Shocked

Once again we are doing the three-thousand and fifty two billion word dance because some righty free-market liar who just also happens to hate all children including the unborn is pretending he doesn't understand the importance of RATES-OF-CHANGE!

Was going to ignore this, but I couldn't stop laughing at your hysteria. Then I came across the whole "righty-who-kills-unborn-children" part, and wondered if it was also directed at me.

I'm sure when you set your airconditioner at 0.89 degrees lower than what's recommended, you would see some marginal increase in your next quarterly electricity bill. However, that 0.89 degree increase in global temperatures, will also be 0.89 degrees that's also absorbed into the earth, the oceans, and our solar panels -- motivated into perceived needed existence by your chicken little cronies. I'm sure the extra evaporation from the oceans would offset the evaporation on land, with increased shower activity, and the plants and animals would have adjusted by now.

Go hug a tree and be friends with the forest somewhere else.

follow the path of Beelzebub ye evil scoundrel

you should ashamed of your pathetic lack of empathy and ridiculously low IQ level

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Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change
Reply #87 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 10:53pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 10:13pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 11:35pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 10:56pm:

0.89 degree increase in temperatures over the last 100 years. No wonder people consider global warming to be crap.

You may as well say 0.89 deg C in 1000 years

I saw an 8 degree change in the weather the other week. Didn't see the oceans evaporate and make heavy thunderstorms come our way. Ice will still freeze at zero celsius, and a 0.89 rise over 100 years won't melt the ice any faster to bring about accelerated erosion and flooding.

Like was pointed out, the ocean levels have dropped recently because all the rain from 2010/2011 still hasn't made it's way out into the oceans, and is still soaked up inside the Australian continent.

You saw nothing

You know nothing

Keep swallowing the Andrew Bolt excrement and following the Moncton priest of deceit

And never forget your medication you putrid clown freak puppet

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25012 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #88 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 11:22pm Are you talking to yourself in the mirror, you arse monkey?
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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Why I don’t believe in Catastrophic Climate Change Reply #89 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 11:32pm UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 11:22pm: Are you talking to yourself in the mirror, you arse monkey? what do you mean by that crack?
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