UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 10:13pm:


Weather and climate are totally different things. We have already seen major melting of glaciers worldwide and in Greenland, and loss of Arctic Sea Ice. That's not significantly offset by the Antarctic either.

Any farmer (in Central Qld anyway) will tell you that's it's not changes in average temperatures that will kill crops, it's sudden spikes. On one extreme, certain plants will not survive a single instance of frost. On the other extreme, one single hot day can totally decimate a crop. As temperatures rise, the risk of that happening increases.

As our entertaining technicolor friend said, it's the boiling frog syndrome. Stick a frog in hot water, and it will jump out. But slowly increase the temperature and it won't notice until it drifts off to oblivion.

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Well it has recovered to a large extent. It bounced back. Haven't you seen the graph? (below)

(Your Yeppen bridge must be about complete by now is it?)

Muso, don't waste your time and effort with these graphs and explanations. Don't get me wrong they'd be great if the people you were directing them to were genuinely interested in the truth of the matter but they're not. They don't care about the truth of the matter, they just pretend they do.  Why do you think the pathetic cherry picking arguments used by denier bloggers and special interest groups such as the Heartland institute work so well? Its not because they're putting logical convincing arguments. No, its sufficient for their purposes to simply frame arguments that have a semblance of truth to them no matter how thin. Because that's all their followers need. Just the appearance that they care about the truth so that they can mask they're real motivation, namely they don't want to do anything about it. . In 30 years time when its too late and the worse effects are just starting most of them will be dead and people will have graduated to the new conditions thinking that thats the way its always been. Why go without or pay one red cent to fix the problem when the consequences will be for others to bear? Also for many of them its about ideology (as if the war between capitalism and socialism will continue to be fought out in the heavens even after we have long become extinct). They're "freedom" to exploit the resources of the earth unobstructed and for self interest and to pass on the I'll effects to the rest of us as externalities. And why should we be surprised at this? After all isn't that that lies at the very heart of capitalism. Our individual right as humans to pursue our own self interest no matter what the consequences may be for others.  Of course most capitalists wouldn't take that so far as to imperil the earth (though of course there are those who would) but when the speculated danger is so far off and gradual, its easier to take an ideological position with respect to the problem rather than a pragmatic one.

So where does that leave us? If we continue in circles with these senseless arguments we will most surly lose. After all the denialists are playing for time. But it shouldn't be about them anymore. Its about us now and our commitment to our species and our planet. Do we just sit and talk, talk, talk until its too late or do we fight these bast@rd.

muso wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 9:20am:

Still doesn't address the issue I'm afraid. If we content ourselves with endless debate because the denialists are just pretending to care our cause is sunk and we have lost the battle for our species and our earth. History should be as scathing in its criticism of us as it will be of the denialists.

So what are you suggesting? Guerilla warfare?

Grey wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 11:24am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 4:24pm:

c02 = Cannibalism and rampant zombies. I like it!
I'm sure there will be a "what if climate change" movie that includes zombies some day.

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 4:24pm:



As good an answer as any, considering the OP couldn't come up with an answer himself.

His post clearly demonstrates exactly how irrational and absurd their "thinking" is.

There will be no Earth, and no human species, yet there will be "history", floating around in space somewhere, criticising everyone.  Fascinating.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 8:39pm:


Which big brother generation are you referring to?
Big brother TV watching millennials or the Boomers that accepted the Big Brother government?
Thanks for the clarification