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Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW
Reply #465 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 1:24pm

muso wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 9:34am:

Will the real Figure 1.4 stand up? Just a tad different from the edited version.

Nice you can post graphs....and invariably you start from 1950 and project a trajectory into infinity along that path. 63 years is not even a geological eyeblink as far as shifts in global climate goes and a graph on that timescale is meaningless and to present it without the context of the preceding 100's of thousands of years is patently dishonest. But then if you do it's absolutely fatal to your argument.

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Reply #466 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 1:37pm

You know what I love most about Figure 1.4 past and present?
In the previous one the grey band span 1.4c to 0.2c, now the new figure 1.4 spans 2c to 0.5c.

So not only does it cover 1.5 degrees of temperature anomaly readings, the only way it can be proved wrong is if temperatures flatline until 2040, meaning a flatline instead of 15/16/17 years, it would have to stagnate OR decline (from a starting point of 2000A.D) for 40+ years.
Otherwise any temperature rises between now and 2040 fall within the error bands and therefore is proof of global warming. -.- What a f*ck*ng joke.....

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namnugenot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 639 NSW Gender:	Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW Reply #467 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 1:51pm It's just manipulation of the numbers and statistics...it has no useful value in the scheme of things. Last week it was....ooooo....it's getting hotter...look at all the fires...now they've had big frosts in Victoria wiping out a lot of wheat and canola crop.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW Reply #468 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 2:25pm Error value is associated with all goodscience
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Vuk11 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1797 QLD Gender:	Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW Reply #469 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 2:39pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 2:25pm: Error value is associated with all goodscience You don't think a 1.5 degree spread is a bit vague and extreme overkill over compensation for a 40 year period?
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Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW
Reply #470 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:49am

Lack of accountability clouding the climate change debate

January 3, 2014

John McLean
The world's so-called authority on climate change engages in exaggerated science and has become a political tool.

The reality is that the IPCC is in effect little more than a UN-sponsored lobby group, created specifically to investigate and push the ''man-made warming'' line. With no similar organisations to examine other potential causes of climate change, it's only the IPCC voice that is heard. But the IPCC's voice isn't heard in context and with all the necessary caveats; it's distorted via the UNFCCC and others who imply that the IPCC is the sole scientific authority on climate matters.

Of course those with vested interest support it, which include governments, politicians, government bodies, ''green'' groups and many scientists. Ultimately it's the unquestioning media, or perhaps a media unwilling to admit that the UN and its agencies might be dishonest or wrong, that misleads the public into believing the IPCC is something it's not.

John McLean is the author of three peer-reviewed papers on climate and an expert reviewer for the latest IPCC report. He is also a climate data analyst and a member of the International Climate Science Coalition.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lack-of-accountability-clouding-the-climate-change...

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW Reply #471 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 3:51pm Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:49am: Lack of accountability clouding the climate change debate ... Remind me: how many organisations of reputable scientists voice views significantly at variance to the consensus?
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW Reply #472 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:22pm Vuk11 wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 2:39pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 2:25pm: Error value is associated with all goodscience You don't think a 1.5 degree spread is a bit vague and extreme overkill over compensation for a 40 year period? Sources are required if you require an answer to that question!
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Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW
Reply #473 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:24pm

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 9:49am:

Lack of accountability clouding the climate change debate

January 3, 2014

John McLean
The world's so-called authority on climate change engages in exaggerated science and has become a political tool.

The reality is that the IPCC is in effect little more than a UN-sponsored lobby group, created specifically to investigate and push the ''man-made warming'' line. With no similar organisations to examine other potential causes of climate change, it's only the IPCC voice that is heard. But the IPCC's voice isn't heard in context and with all the necessary caveats; it's distorted via the UNFCCC and others who imply that the IPCC is the sole scientific authority on climate matters.

Of course those with vested interest support it, which include governments, politicians, government bodies, ''green'' groups and many scientists. Ultimately it's the unquestioning media, or perhaps a media unwilling to admit that the UN and its agencies might be dishonest or wrong, that misleads the public into believing the IPCC is something it's not.

John McLean is the author of three peer-reviewed papers on climate and an expert reviewer for the latest IPCC report. He is also a climate data analyst and a member of the International Climate Science Coalition.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lack-of-accountability-clouding-the-climate-change...

Vested interests is the con mans only argument: lol my little acorn to snoooozy land Roll Eyes

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138582 Gender:	Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW Reply #474 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:25pm namnugenot wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 1:51pm: It's just manipulation of the numbers and statistics... And an awful lot of people make a comfortable living doing so.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW Reply #475 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:39pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:25pm: namnugenot wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 1:51pm: It's just manipulation of the numbers and statistics... And an awful lot of people make a comfortable living doing so. Manipulation of tools equals the human story
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Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW
Reply #476 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:41pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:25pm:

namnugenot wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

It's just manipulation of the numbers and statistics...

And an awful lot of people make a comfortable living doing so.

Manipulation of tools equals the human story Grin

I've got a funny feeling that you're manipulating your tool right now.

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Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW
Reply #477 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:41pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:25pm:

namnugenot wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

It's just manipulation of the numbers and statistics...

And an awful lot of people make a comfortable living doing so.

Manipulation of tools equals the human story Grin

I've got a funny feeling that you're manipulating your tool right now.

Ya'll never get me Greggy cos you're blind Shocked

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Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW
Reply #478 - Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 6:54pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:41pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 5:25pm:

namnugenot wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

It's just manipulation of the numbers and statistics...

And an awful lot of people make a comfortable living doing so.