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Reply #90 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:34am

muso wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Let's just make it the ambiguous question thread.

natural disasters are caused by climate change
bottles are black.
cancer is caused by cigarette smoking.

Three similar phrases. All ambiguous. All can be answered yes or no depending on context.

The point is individual cases cant be definitively attributed to a specific causal driver.

Even in the case of lung cancer for a long term smoker. A person that has been smoking for many decades may well have contracted lung cancer anyway if they didn't smoke. All the doctor can advise is that its MOST LIKELY that your lung cancer was caused by your smoking.

What gives us a clearer picture is looking at the cancer rate in a large sample of smokers and comparing that rate with a control and a sample of people who don't smoke at all.

There are effects however, driven by the warming of the planet that don't involve individual events such as rising sea levels or coral reef disappearance etc.

Like Sagan once said "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

And the global scientific community has reached a point in the AGW journey whereby the AGW denialist stance requires extraordinary evidence and rationale to maintain

For a person to even be uncommitted on the human drivers of Global warming is rather silly IMO. (although I can understand those that don't care)

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Reply #91 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 7:05am

Well we can say with 95% confidence that the tsunami that overwhelmed Fukushima was a natural disaster that was not caused by rising CO2.

On the other hand, can we say that increasing CO2 emissions will lead to Southern Hemisphere cyclone tracks migrating further South on average over the next 50 years? According to AR5, this is a likely (55-100% probability) scenario.

That will have the result of increasing the risk of tropical cyclone damage in cities like Brisbane.

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Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW
Reply #92 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 8:02am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

# wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 3:00pm:

# wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 2:21pm:

Who but the most degenerate will do what the best minds warn increases the risk?

Are you saying that anthropogenic co2 emissions are responsible for natural disasters......????

Are you denying that the best minds warn that global warming, which is substantially anthropogenic, increases the risk?

Why couldn't you just answer with a simple 'yes' or 'no' ?
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Because neither would be a complete and honest answer. Still trolling, young simpleton.

Seeing as how you're back:- # wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 10:17am:

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 4:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

# wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

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Bearing in mind that the vast majority of the best qualified hold a consistent position on Anthropogenic Global Warming, what are your qualifications for denying that there is "enough reliable, credible evidence to support it"?

Is your position scepticism or denial?

Scepticism.

As I've already explained to you, I am completely open-minded: AGW may indeed be happening.

Considering the evidence available at the moment though, I remain sceptical.

So what is your rationale for denying the credibility of the evidence upon which the vast majority of the best qualified rely?

From your failure to respond, I infer that you have no rational basis for your denial.

Given that scepticism is a rational philosophy, if your denial has no rational basis, is it scepticism? If your denial is not scepticism, are you a genuine sceptic?

You can easily establish your credibility by detailing your rationale. If you can't do that, then you might do yourself a favour by examining the reasons for your faith in a belief system that is not supported by the vast majority of the best qualified.

The invitation was repeated many times:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365821673/66#66
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365821673/55#55
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365821673/53#53
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365821673/33#33
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1365821673/31#31
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375841990/57#57
You repeatedly failed to detail a rational basis for your denial. Your behaviour therefore doesn't qualify as scepticism.

Forum software records your history. Irritating, isn't it?

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Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW
Reply #93 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 8:08am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:34am:

... (although I can understand those that don't care)

I've seen enough of consequences, the risk of which global warming will probably increase, that I really can't understand not caring. I'm particularly offended by those, like greggerypeccary, who evidently think it's fun to play games with the issue.

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Reply #94 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 12:33pm

# wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 8:08am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:34am:

... (although I can understand those that don't care)

I've seen enough of consequences, the risk of which global warming will probably increase, that I really can't understand not caring. I'm particularly offended by those, like greggerypeccary, who evidently think it's fun to play games with the issue.

Approximately 7% of people in western societies are sociopaths - they tend to end up as CEOs, Bankers and some politicians etc.

A further few 1 or 2% are psychopathic to some extent, not always resulting in criminal outcomes.

So the fact that there are people out there who DONT CARE doesn't surprise me at all.

What concerns me is when these sociopaths end up in positions of power, both in the political and corporate realms.

We all know what Abbott will do and why.

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Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW
Reply #96 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:46pm

Ajax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:16pm:

I commend Tony Abbott for his courage to disregard the pseudo science coming out of that politically motivated body called the IPCC.

Lets hope more governments around the world throw the AGW religion in the dust bin where it belongs.

And get back to governing their own countries for their own citizens.

Abbott is a corporatized right wing lawyer

He doesn't even have a minister for science

We all know what Abbott-oire is all about don't we ladies and gentlemen

Taking us down the road of short term profit and racist fascism, which will do great damage to our nation for many decades to come,

I hope you live long enough to see it

To witness it.

To repent.

To realise your delusional greed and what you supported which has sentenced future generations to a life of excrement and carnage

You should be utterly ashamed of yourself

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Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW
Reply #97 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:50pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:46pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:16pm:

I commend Tony Abbott for his courage to disregard the pseudo science coming out of that politically motivated body called the IPCC.

Lets hope more governments around the world throw the AGW religion in the dust bin where it belongs.

And get back to governing their own countries for their own citizens.

Abbott is a corporatized right wing lawyer

He doesn't even have a minister for science

We all know what Abbott-oire is all about don't we ladies and gentlemen

Taking us down the road of short term profit and racist fascism, which will do great damage to our nation for many decades to come,

I hope you live long enough to see it

To witness it.

To repent.

To realise your delusional greed and what you supported which has sentenced future generations to a life of excrement and carnage

You should be utterly ashamed of yourself

I would prefer that than being in financial slavery for ever to the United Nations, not just us but our children and their children and so on as long as pricing carbon exists.

I don't want the United Nations telling Australia how and when she can use her resources.

They should stick to the cuddly polar bears and let nations rule themselves..

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Re: IPCC 95% sure about AGW
Reply #98 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 3:13pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 12:33pm:

# wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 8:08am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:34am:

... (although I can understand those that don't care)

I've seen enough of consequences, the risk of which global warming will probably increase, that I really can't understand not caring. I'm particularly offended by those, like greggerypeccary, who evidently think it's fun to play games with the issue.

Approximately 7% of people in western societies are sociopaths - they tend to end up as CEOs, Bankers and some politicians etc.

A further few 1 or 2% are psychopathic to some extent, not always resulting in criminal outcomes.

So the fact that there are people out there who DONT CARE doesn't surprise me at all.

What concerns me is when these sociopaths end up in positions of power, both in the political and corporate realms.

We all know what Abbott will do and why.

OK, now I see where you're coming from. At the last election, between Abbott and Rudd, we had a choice of psychopaths. Did we make the best choice?

And what of greggerypeccary, and the like? The more I think about it, the more apt simpleton seems.

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Reply #99 - Oct 1^st, 2013 at 6:04pm

Ajax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:46pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 1:16pm:

I commend Tony Abbott for his courage to disregard the pseudo science coming out of that politically motivated body called the IPCC.

Lets hope more governments around the world throw the AGW religion in the dust bin where it belongs.

And get back to governing their own countries for their own citizens.

Abbott is a corporatized right wing lawyer

He doesn't even have a minister for science

We all know what Abbott-oire is all about don't we ladies and gentlemen

Taking us down the road of short term profit and racist fascism, which will do great damage to our nation for many decades to come,

I hope you live long enough to see it

To witness it.

To repent.

To realise your delusional greed and what you supported which has sentenced future generations to a life of excrement and carnage

You should be utterly ashamed of yourself

I don't want the United Nations telling Australia how and when she can use her resources.

No need, 83% of Australias so called resources are foreign owned by big multinational corporations. Mainly in the hands of US corporations (~56%).

They pay very little tax in Australia and only employ about 3% of the workforce. In fact Australias resource sector actually costs the Tax payer to have it operating in this nation.

The UN also overseas racial and humanitarian matters. And AUstralia is an international disgrace with respect to these important issues.

The UN funded IPCC report is actually quite mild in its predictions of CLimate change effects.

Perhaps you should read some peer reviewed scientific literature?

I assume that you have at least done this prior to arriving at your ridiculous conspiracy and denialist madness

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Reply #100 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 8:12am

# wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 3:13pm:

OK, now I see where you're coming from. At the last election, between Abbott and Rudd, we had a choice of psychopaths. Did we make the best choice?

And what of greggerypeccary, and the like? The more I think about it, the more apt simpleton seems.

Don't fall into that trap.

I wouldn't be too hasty to judge his politics on the basis of his clouded views on global warming. In fact I think you'd be surprised. There are those who claim that I'm Left Wing and others that equate greggerypeccary with the Right. In fact you can reverse those two conclusions.

Then there is our friend Ajax with his blistering (almost Marxist conspiratorial) criticism of Milton Friedman and corporations. Now I'll get everybody offside I suspect, but I equate best with Friedman's Right Wing Libertarian stance, but like Friedman, I agree that companies that pollute should be taxed so that a product's cost to society is reflected in the price of that product.

1.Atmospheric Physics has no political allegiance.

2. Not everybody votes on single issues.

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Reply #101 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 11:52am

muso wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 8:12am:

# wrote on Oct 1^st, 2013 at 3:13pm:

... what of greggerypeccary, and the like? The more I think about it, the more apt simpleton seems.

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I wouldn't be too hasty to judge his politics on the basis of his clouded views on global warming. ...

This being a politics site, it's natural that you think in those terms.

On global warming, greggerypeccary pretends to have an open mind. His behaviour belies that.

Those who believe, one way or another, can point to sources of their belief. I've never known greggerypeccary to substantiate anything he's said. He's therefore given no reason to suppose that he believes anything he says.

Why would anyone say something they don't believe? All things considered, I've come to the conclusion that greggerypeccary tends to say whatever he hopes will provoke a reaction from which he can derive perverse pleasure. In addition to http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1380325015/87#87, a quick search turned up a couple more posts which to me are obvious trolls: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1376908269/15#15 and http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375834924/18#18. I've no doubt there are many more.

You're opinion might differ, but to me greggerypeccary is no more than a troll (at least on global warming). Trolling on such a significant issue is the mark of a simpleton.

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Reply #102 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 12:33pm

muso wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 8:12am:

I wouldn't be too hasty to judge his politics on the basis of his clouded views on global warming. In fact I think you'd be surprised. There are those who claim that I'm Left Wing and others that equate greggerypeccary with the Right. In fact you can reverse those two conclusions.

Exactly.

I doubt if there are many on here who are as far to the left as I am.

One thing you can always count on in this forum, is that some people will jump to crazy conclusions and make wild assumptions.

I'm an open-minded sceptic when it comes to AGW, so people immediately think I'm a Liberal supporter. Wrong.

They also assume that just because of my open-minded scepticism, I'm opposed to governments taking precautionary action against the possible threat of AGW. Wrong.

Pffft.

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Reply #103 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 12:51pm

# wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 7:30am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

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To be clear, I couldn't care less what you regard me as.

I doubt that. Trolling is calculated to offend. You offend me. That matters to you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 28^th, 2013 at 5:56pm:

Moreover, I'm not adverse to onanism ...

Evidently.

Meanwhile, the bush fire season has started early. I live on the land, so I'll have less time to spend here.

According to the vast majority of the best qualified, global warming will lead to conditions like those responsible for the early start of the bush fire season becoming more common. Global warming; remember that? You treat it as a joke.

au contraire

What I do treat as a joke is closed-minded fools who have no capacity to think for themselves, and who jump to crazy conclusions and make wild assumptions based on both ignorance and arrogance.

Naturally, I find you extremely amusing.

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Reply #104 - Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 1:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 12:33pm:

muso wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2013 at 8:12am:

I wouldn't be too hasty to judge his politics on the basis of his clouded views on global warming. In fact I think you'd be surprised. There are those who claim that I'm Left Wing and others that equate greggerypeccary with the Right. In fact you can reverse those two conclusions.

I'm an open-minded sceptic when it comes to AGW.

I see, so you are sceptical about CO2 being a by-product of fossil fuel combustion and whether CO2 is a greenhouse gas/

very open minded

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