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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40817	Re: why do moslems worship/venerate that black stone! Reply #45 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 12:47pm polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 9:35am: What are you getting at FD? Sorry if I find your little "gotcha" exercises getting a little too cryptic. What he is seeking is for me to claim that I criticise Christians but don't criticise Muslims.
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Reply #46 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 12:51pm

freediver wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 9:18am:

Do you think the veneration for this rock has an equivalent basis in Islam to what toast worshipping has in Christianity?

I don't doubt you'll claim it is so, FD.

How about instead of toast, we substitute the Shroud? Or an Icon of the Virgin Mary? Saint's bones? Fragments of the True Cross? Church of the Holy Sepulchre? Tomb of Saint Peter? Lourdes?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: why do moslems worship/venerate that black stone! Reply #47 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:00pm obfuscating again bwian... tsk tsk tsk... You know full well no sane Christian worships a piece of toast your crap is hardly worth dignifying.
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Reply #48 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:09pm

Grendel wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

obfuscating again bwian... tsk tsk tsk...

You know full well no sane Christian worships a piece of toast your crap is hardly worth dignifying.

I note the qualification, Grendel. Whom are you to determine their sanity or the validity of their beliefs? Roll Eyes

Which end do you crack your boiled egg? Grin

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Reply #49 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:09pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:00pm:

obfuscating again bwian... tsk tsk tsk...

You know full well no sane Christian worships a piece of toast your crap is hardly worth dignifying.

I note the qualification, Grendel. Whom are you to determine their sanity or the validity of their beliefs? Roll Eyes

Which end do you crack your boiled egg? Grin

You shouldn't judge anyone on that basis, Brain, you are not an egg.

Just chicken. Spineless chicken:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40817	Re: why do moslems worship/venerate that black stone! Reply #50 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:16pm
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Reply #51 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 3:36pm

yep won't be long before bwian does a monty python...

wunaway... wunaway...

So let me get this right... you don't judge Muslims and their culture etc because you aren't a Muslim...
you're an athiest living in the western world and so ridicule and judge christians and the western world even though muslims live in it.
You think Christians are all Catholic and think they all worship so-called religious relics and that they worship pieces of toast.
You also judge a persons sanity by which end of a boiled egg they crack... Cheesy

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Reply #52 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 4:13pm

Grendel wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

yep won't be long before bwian does a monty python...

wunaway... wunaway...

So let me get this right... you don't judge Muslims and their culture etc because you aren't a Muslim...
you're an athiest living in the western world and so ridicule and judge christians and the western world even though muslims live in it.
You think Christians are all Catholic and think they all worship so-called religious relics and that they worship pieces of toast.
You also judge a persons sanity by which end of a boiled egg they crack... Cheesy

I don't think all Christians are Catholic, Grendel. You do enjoy erecting strawmen, don't you? Roll Eyes

Now, run along, please don't you have a cave or something to hide in? Grin

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Reply #53 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Grendel wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

yep won't be long before bwian does a monty python...

wunaway... wunaway...

So let me get this right... you don't judge Muslims and their culture etc because you aren't a Muslim...
you're an athiest living in the western world and so ridicule and judge christians and the western world even though muslims live in it.
You think Christians are all Catholic and think they all worship so-called religious relics and that they worship pieces of toast.
You also judge a persons sanity by which end of a boiled egg they crack... Cheesy

I don't think all Christians are Catholic, Grendel. You do enjoy erecting strawmen, don't you? Roll Eyes

Now, run along, please don't you have a cave or something to hide in? Grin

Well maybe you said something wrong or were misleading in what YOU wrote bwian... Roll Eyes

Or were you specifying Catholics but thinking Christians... I mean except for the toast right?
keep crackin' those eggs bwian... Grin

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102862 Melbourne Gender:	Re: why do moslems worship/venerate that black stone! Reply #54 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:10pm How can a stone be sacred?
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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: why do moslems worship/venerate that black stone! Reply #55 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:32pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:10pm: How can a stone be sacred? Exactly! Islam is the world's only monotheistic religion and teaches that only God the Creator should be worshipped. To worship a stone would violate the most fundamental principal of Islam - strict monotheism.
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Reply #56 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:37pm

True Colours wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

How can a stone be sacred?

Exactly!

Islam is the world's only monotheistic religion and teaches that only God the Creator should be worshipped.

To worship a stone would violate the most fundamental principal of Islam - strict monotheism.

Religion just hasn't got anything you can touch
so they create sacred stones.

All they have is a gold pass to heaven if you believe in their God.

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Reply #57 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

True Colours wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

How can a stone be sacred?

Exactly!

Islam is the world's only monotheistic religion and teaches that only God the Creator should be worshipped.

To worship a stone would violate the most fundamental principal of Islam - strict monotheism.

Religion just hasn't got anything you can touch
so they create sacred stones.

Islam does not have 'sacred stones'. The 'sacred stones' idea is a fallacy perpetuated by Islamophobes.

The existence of the world is proof enough of a Creator.

Do the doubters ask themselves "who created the world?" or "who keeps it in order?" Who, for example is enforcing the laws of physics?

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Reply #58 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:47pm

True Colours wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

True Colours wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

How can a stone be sacred?

Exactly!

Islam is the world's only monotheistic religion and teaches that only God the Creator should be worshipped.

To worship a stone would violate the most fundamental principal of Islam - strict monotheism.

Religion just hasn't got anything you can touch
so they create sacred stones.

Islam does not have 'sacred stones'. The 'sacred stones' idea is a fallacy perpetuated by Islamophobes.

The existence of the world is proof enough of a Creator.

The creator?

Is that the guy with a beard in between the clouds?

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: why do moslems worship/venerate that black stone! Reply #59 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:51pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:47pm: The creator? Is that the guy with a beard in between the clouds? Puny human minds cannot grasp the full magnitude of God. God is not like His creation. Such comparisons are pointless
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Question: Is it blasphemy to worship a stone?
yes 3 (50.0%) no 3 (50.0%) not sure 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 6 « Created by: Bobby. on: Oct 6^th, 2013 at 10:09am »