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Question: Do you want fracking stopped?

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Reply #135 - Nov 18th, 2013 at 9:01pm
 


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Reply #136 - Nov 18th, 2013 at 9:38pm
 
Hush, then - it can come in twice:-   (see if I care!)


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Frack this system sometimes - says it's posted and it goes into the ether...
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Reply #137 - Nov 18th, 2013 at 9:48pm
 
We need more energy, fracking (which is much improved on extraction processing) is a solution to this.
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Reply #138 - Nov 18th, 2013 at 10:14pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 18th, 2013 at 9:48pm:
We need more energy, fracking (which is much improved on extraction processing) is a solution to this.


Why?  We are running dry on energy - the fracked energy is for transportation for the term of its natural life - why not let the Gypos frack their own backyard?

This isn't going to be much benefit to the Australian economy unless WE use it and allow them the leftovers.

Do you see the Saudis gouging their own people to send revenue gathering petrol overseas? 

http://www.mytravelcost.com/Saudi-Arabia/gas-prices/

So - what is the issue here?  ARE we getting first bite at the cherry, like the Saudis, and eat as much as we want and need here in Oz at lower prices than we pay now for natural gas, since all that extra volume will lower unit price? 

Or is it going overseas for profit for the few - again?  Same old story - Australians will pay through the nose for their own resources while fifty exporters make their dollars.

This is all sounding remarkably like the good old 'Australia produces 92% of its own petrol' - while the price soared and we paid 'world parity prices' to suit government tax levels, as well as the North West Shelf - 2c a litre to Japan - yond motorist here pays 90c a litre to pump it in his car.

Based on the figures shown about 2% employment created by this ripping of the earth without direct benefit to us in lower prices and distribution of cheap energy and materials to US  - what possible reason would we have to agree to it?

No wonder the Australian people have never been asked.
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Reply #139 - Nov 29th, 2013 at 8:29am
 
More on fracking



Fracking to blame? Texas rocked by 16 earthquakes in last 3 weeks


Northern Texas towns are experiencing an intense string of earthquakes – the last of which was one of the most powerful in 5 years. As unusual tremors have been going on for over 3 weeks now, many suspect fracking might be to blame.

On Thursday, the region experienced two tremors, with one of them registering 3.6 magnitude, 55 km west of the town of Azle at 07:58:36 GMT, as recorded by the US Geological Service, and the other 2.8 at 08:41:07 GMT, with the epicenter not far from the first one. USGS records show that the 3.6 tremor was one of the strongest earthquakes to hit the region in 5 years.

On Thursday, the region experienced two tremors, with one of them registering 3.6 magnitude, 55 km west of the town of Azle at 07:58:36 GMT, as recorded by the US Geological Service, and the other 2.8 at 08:41:07 GMT, with the epicenter not far from the first one. USGS records show that the 3.6 tremor was one of the strongest earthquakes to hit the region in 5 years.

“It sounded like a sonic boom, and then the house started shaking,” Keith Krayer, a local resident who felt the effects of the quake, told RT.

Krayer said he had no doubt the quake was sparked by fracking. “When they frack, they inject all that water and chemicals into the ground, then they pump it back up and separate the gas from the water, then they have to dispose of that water 13,000 feet down. It causes the plates to slip, the lubrication from the water.”

Residents like Krayer are having their nerves put to the test as the region chalked up its 16th this month. In the last four days, there have been six recorded quakes.

Between 1970 and 2007, the area around the Texas town of Azle (pop. 10,000) experienced just two earthquakes. The peace and quiet began to change, however, at the start of 2008, when 74 minor quakes were reported in the region.

Now an increasing number of people, including scientists, are speculating that natural gas production by fracking - a process that forces high pressure water and chemicals into rock in order to extract natural gas reserves - is the culprit. The problem, however, is proving the claims.

Cliff Frolich, earthquake researcher at the University of Texas, said waste water injection wells from fracking could be responsible for the recent spate of earthquake activity.

"I'd say it certainly looks very possible that the earthquakes are related to injection wells," he said in an interview with KHOU television.

Frolich left room for doubt when he said thousands of such wells have operated in Texas for decades with no quakes anywhere near them.

Frolich co-authored a 2009 study on earthquake activity near Cleburne, just south of Azle, which concluded: "The possibility exists that earthquakes may be related to fluid injection."
A recent government study lent credence to Frolich’s findings.

The use of underground storage wells to get rid of waste water produced by fracking is “almost certainly” to blame for the jump in earthquakes in Midwestern states in recent years, a recent Geological Survey study has found.

The report said the number of magnitude-3 earthquakes or greater occurring in the mid-region of North America surged from 29 in 2008 to 134 last year.

The USGS study pointed to an unusual surge in tremors near wastewater wells in many US states, including Arkansas, Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma and Ohio.

http://rt.com/usa/texas-fracking-earthquakes-azle-445/
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Reply #140 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 6:27am
 

STOP FRACKING AROUND NOW!


Massachusetts seeks 10-yr ban on gas fracking after series of Texas quakes


An environmental committee at Massachusetts Statehouse has approved a bill, imposing a 10-year ban on fracking for natural gas. The move comes as a wave of earthquakes in Texas has raised new concerns over the controversial drilling technique.

The Massachusetts fracking moratorium bill is designed to protect the state’s drinking water from possible contamination and thus "ensure that the health and prosperity of our communities is maintained," according to one of the legislation's sponsors, Northampton Democratic state Rep. Peter Kocot, cited by AP.

Anti-fracking sentiment grows among Texans



The smell of chemicals preceded the series of Texas tremors, according to Rebecca Williams, a resident in the town of Azle, which was affected by the most powerful earthquake so far in the series.

“We could not figure out where the chemicals were coming from,” Williams told RT. “Then we started having the earthquakes. The earthquakes seemed to be getting stronger. When the 3.6 one happened I tried to get up and run downstairs and my house was shaking so bad, I could not even run.”

http://rt.com/usa/fracking-texas-activists-concerned-510/
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Reply #141 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 6:34am
 
Fracking process refinement and causative losses have improved by over 90% in less than 2 years.
This isn't anymore dangerous than offshore deepdive drill techniques.

Don't believe the usual scare stories from the usual sources.
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Reply #142 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:12am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 6:34am:
Fracking process refinement and causative losses have improved by over 90% in less than 2 years.
This isn't anymore dangerous than offshore deepdive drill techniques.

Don't believe the usual scare stories from the usual sources.



Ok, I'll just believe the hard evidence, which is freaking disastrous.
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