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Reply #60 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:14pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 4:18pm:

Bam wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2013 at 9:16am:

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reduced CO2 emissions,

False. It increases CO₂ emissions because it turns fossil C into CO₂. Do try to keep up.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/switch-to-gasfired-power-reduces-...

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GREENHOUSE gas emissions in NSW fell this summer compared with the previous year, despite higher than usual average temperatures.

A report by The Climate Group released yesterday found that emissions from energy use in the state were down 5.7 per cent on the previous summer, a saving of more than 1.5 million tonnes and the equivalent of taking about 360,000 cars off the road for a year.

The main reason for the decrease was a greater use of gas-generated electricity following the commissioning of two new gas power plants in Uranquity and Tallawarra. Gas, while still a fossil fuel, emits fewer harmful pollutants than burning coal.

Haven't you forgotten something?
Did you even read the thread?

What about radioactive pollution?

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes Reply #61 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 6:28pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:14pm: What about radioactive pollution What about it?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106527 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes Reply #62 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 6:32pm Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 6:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 5:14pm: What about radioactive pollution What about it? If you would have read the thread you'd have found out that that radioactive elements will end up in the food chain. Happy eating.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes Reply #63 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 6:43pm Ok do me a favour and ID the relevant post Bobby....
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Re: Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes
Reply #64 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 6:46pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 7:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 6:40am:

None of that money goes into my pocket anyway -
only into someone else's greedy pocket who couldn't care less.

That's why I wonder at the naivety of those ordinary people who claim to back CSG exploration. The disadvantages and drawbacks far outweigh any benefits or perceived benefits.

We can't sit back on this one, if there's a rally near you, try to attend, then at least you can say you tried. I'm leaving a written record for my grandkids, they won't be blaming their grandma for the wreckage.

Once the underground aquifers are polluted, it will be too late to go back.

FRACKING HELL

Watch the 2 part video Swagman.

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Re: Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes
Reply #65 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 7:02pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

John Smith wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

It has been pointed out that some of the fracking will occur within 600m of homes

If it within the buffer it won't be approved. As I pointed out earlier it's just an application and it hasn't even been assessed.

Are you sure about that? Normal practice for libs is to simply change the buffer ...

I guess you'll simply have to wait and see.

The regulation is there to protect the public but still exploit the economic advantages of the industry. Blind arrogant objection that the Green Party and its hippy supporters have to the industry is just ludicrous.

This clouds over any credible arguments the Greens come up with and why most of the normal public think the Greens are just a bunch of unwashed commie hippies with effall credibility. Sad

don't assume all the arguments are coming from greenies.

There are lots of video's of people with flames coming out of their taps in the USA to make the concerns of Aussies genuine.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes Reply #66 - Oct 5^th, 2013 at 8:59pm
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Reply #67 - Oct 6^th, 2013 at 8:58am

‘Alarming’ presence of radioactivity found by Pennsylvania fracking wastewater study

Researchers have found high levels of radioactivity, salts, and metals in water and sediment located downstream from a treatment facility which processes fracking wastewater from oil and gas production sites in Pennsylvania’s Marcellus shale formation.

A Duke University team analyzed water and sediment samples from the Josephine Brine Treatment Facility in Indiana County, Pennsylvania, finding radium levels 200 times greater than samples taken upstream from the plant and far higher than what’s allowed under the Clean Water Act.

Radium is a radioactive metal that can cause diseases like leukemia and other ill-health effects if one is exposed to large amounts over time.

The treatment facility processes flowback water - highly saline and radioactive wastewater that resurfaces from underground after being injected into rocks in the fracking, or hydraulic fracturing, process.

For two years, the Duke team monitored sediment and river water above and below the treatment plant, as well as discharge coming directly from the plant, for various contaminants and levels of radioactivity. In the discharge and downstream water, researchers also found high levels of chloride, sulphate, and bromide, which can interact with chlorine and ozone - used to disinfect river water for drinking -to create a toxic byproduct.

"The occurrence of radium is alarming - this is a radioactive constituent that is likely to increase rates of genetic mutation" and can be "a significant radioactive health hazard for humans," said William Schlesinger, a researcher and president of the Cary Institute of Ecosystem Studies, who wasn't involved in the study.

http://rt.com/usa/fracking-radioactivity-contaminants-study-661/

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"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Hendrix
andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106527 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes Reply #68 - Oct 6^th, 2013 at 10:01am Just added a poll - Do you want fracking stopped?
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Re: Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes
Reply #69 - Oct 6^th, 2013 at 11:15am

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 2:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

The reason humans are not extinct is because they long ago found out the competitive advantage of exploiting the environment.

yes until there was nothing left to exploit Sad

Humans are the only living species capable of destroying the environment they live in Sad

Actually humans are just vermin !!

Speak for yourself... Grin

Life is about exploiting the environment. The best exploiters survive and evolve.

I'm sure your children & grand children, will thank you - NOT!

You are exploiting the environment right now. You are breathing in oxygen and breathing out CO2. If you stop you will croak. ALL LIFE exploits the environment. ALL LIFE is an environmental parasite.

Not all life, BUT there are certainly some who fit that criteria, some because they think they are so smart & others simply because they are so dumb!

An example of those that don't have brains, are the Bacteria that Professor Bartlet talks about in the following video.

There are also plenty of examples in the human race, of people who THINK that we are smart enough to avoid the worst of some of the apparent environmental problems, although that thinking is not backed up by history!

Btw, if you take away the bacteria in the video & replace them with humans, then ARE WE CURRENTLY ONE MINUTE TO HIGH NOON!

In saying that, let me ask those who "know better", what is an acceptable level of growth, is it -
A) 10%
B) 7%
C) 3.5%
D) 1.5%
E) 1.0%
F) Break even
G) Something less than Break even

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106527 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes Reply #70 - Oct 6^th, 2013 at 1:38pm The vote is 5 to 0. No one wants this fracking. Tony Abbott must make it illegal now before more damage is done.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes Reply #71 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 9:34am Bobby. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2013 at 1:38pm: The vote is 5 to 0. No one wants this fracking. Tony Abbott must make it illegal now before more damage is done. 5 - 1 now.
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Re: Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes
Reply #72 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 10:53am

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 6^th, 2013 at 11:15am:

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 3:37pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 2:52pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 1:35pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 5^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

The reason humans are not extinct is because they long ago found out the competitive advantage of exploiting the environment.

yes until there was nothing left to exploit Sad

Humans are the only living species capable of destroying the environment they live in Sad

Actually humans are just vermin !!

Speak for yourself... Grin

Life is about exploiting the environment. The best exploiters survive and evolve.

I'm sure your children & grand children, will thank you - NOT!

You are exploiting the environment right now. You are breathing in oxygen and breathing out CO2. If you stop you will croak. ALL LIFE exploits the environment. ALL LIFE is an environmental parasite.

Not all life, BUT there are certainly some who fit that criteria, some because they think they are so smart & others simply because they are so dumb!

An example of those that don't have brains, are the Bacteria that Professor Bartlet talks about in the following video.

There are also plenty of examples in the human race, of people who THINK that we are smart enough to avoid the worst of some of the apparent environmental problems, although that thinking is not backed up by history!

Btw, if you take away the bacteria in the video & replace them with humans, then ARE WE CURRENTLY ONE MINUTE TO HIGH NOON!

In saying that, let me ask those who "know better", what is an acceptable level of growth, is it -
A) 10%
B) 7%
C) 3.5%
D) 1.5%
E) 1.0%
F) Break even
G) Something less than Break even

It seems that the likes of Swaggy, Longy & Maqqy don't think they know better?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106527 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes Reply #73 - Oct 7^th, 2013 at 11:09am Swagman wrote on Oct 7^th, 2013 at 9:34am: Bobby. wrote on Oct 6^th, 2013 at 1:38pm: The vote is 5 to 0. No one wants this fracking. Tony Abbott must make it illegal now before more damage is done. 5 - 1 now. The "1" would have been Longweekend.
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Reply #74 - Oct 12^th, 2013 at 12:32am

The French constitutional court has rejected fracking:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/11/france-fracking-ban-shale-gas

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France's constitutional court has upheld a ban on hydraulic fracturing, ruling that the law against the energy exploration technique known as "fracking" is a valid means of protecting the environment.

The court in Paris said on its website on Friday that the 2011 law "conforms to the constitution" and is not "disproportionate".

France banned fracking in 2011 and cancelled exploration licences held by companies including Schuepbach and Total SA, the country's biggest oil company, after protests by environmental groups.

Schuepbach Energy LLC, a Dallas-based explorer, complained to the court that the law was unfair after having two exploration permits revoked because of the ban. President François Hollande has said France won't allow exploration of shale gas energy even as the country seeks to reduce its reliance on nuclear energy and keep down costs for consumers.

"It's a judicial victory but also an environmental and political victory," French environment minister, Philippe Martin, said today after the ruling.
"With this decision the ban on hydraulic fracturing is absolute."

The technique, which involves blasting a mixture of water, sand and chemicals underground to release oil and gas from shale rock, has raised the ire of environmental groups who fear groundwater contamination.

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Question: Do you want fracking stopped?
yes 16 (76.2%) no 3 (14.3%) not sure. 2 (9.5%) Total votes: 21 « Created by: Bobby. on: Oct 6^th, 2013 at 10:01am »