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Oct 3rd, 2013 at 6:10am
 
AGL seeks permission to begin fracking CSG pilot wells near Gloucester in the NSW Hunter

If the State Government approves the application it will be the first time fracture stimulation, known as fracking, has been allowed since a moratorium was imposed in 2011.


Greens mining spokesman Jeremy Buckingham says the application should be rejected.

"This fracking will occur within 600 metres of residential areas in Gloucester - that's outrageous," he said.

"The people of New South Wales need to be protected from coal seam gas and Barry O'Farrell has to deliver on his promise to create exclusion zones that apply for everyone.

"The Greens believe that approval of this fracking would break Barry O'Farrell's clear promise to keep CSG away from people's homes."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-02/agl-seeks-permission-to-frack-hunter-valle...
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Reply #1 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 6:21am
 
"This is the biggest threat to our community since World War Two."

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Reply #2 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 8:15am
 
I don't agree with CSG mining near homes, agricultural land or sources of drinking water, but nowhere does it say "under homes". Grow up!  Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 8:19am
 

Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes

And the lefts has a sexual obsession ????
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Reply #4 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 8:41am
 
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Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes


A touch untruthful Greenone....

Oh look......the article also says

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The state's Office of Coal Seam Gas says AGL's application will be assessed on its merits.
Its Director Rachel Connell says the application will be subject to a series of benchmarks to assess its impact on the surrounding area.

"There are very well-defined benchmarks in the Environmental Planning and Assessment Act which have to be assessed and in the code of practice for fracture stimulation," she said.

"So one of the issues that will be examined closely is potential impacts on ground water."



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The [LIBERAL NSW STATE] government released a new code of practice for the procedure in September last year and strengthened it in February to include a two-kilometre buffer zone around residential areas.


If as Jeremy Buckingham says it is 600m from residential areas (and has proof) then it's within the buffer and all the 'whoo howling' from the Greens is just political spin.

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The people of New South Wales need to be protected from coal seam gas


That from Buckingham is an outright lie.

CSG has it's place and can provide abundant energy, reduced CO2 emissions,  increased wealth and tax revenues and jobs for the people of NSW.  Ruling it out entirely is just typical of the stupid and radical policy platforms of the Green party.
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Reply #5 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am
 
Swagman wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 8:41am:
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Libs Want Dangerous Fracking Under Homes


A touch untruthful Greenone....

You've been a touch untruthful yourself, methinks.


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The [LIBERAL NSW STATE] government released a new code of practice for the procedure in September last year and strengthened it in February to include a two-kilometre buffer zone around residential areas.


If as Jeremy Buckingham says it is 600m from residential areas (and has proof) then it's within the buffer and all the 'whoo howling' from the Greens is just political spin.

Wait, what? Too close to homes and it's just political spin? I think you need to explain this.

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The people of New South Wales need to be protected from coal seam gas

That from Buckingham is an outright lie.

That, from you, is an outright lie.

Buckingham is stating an OPINION.

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CSG has it's place

That is debatable.

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and can provide abundant energy,

So can many other cheaper and/or less controversial energy generation techniques.

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reduced CO2 emissions,

False. It increases CO2 emissions because it turns fossil C into CO2. Do try to keep up.

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increased wealth

To whose profit? The government of Singapore?

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and tax revenues

I thought you were against the carbon tax?  Undecided

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and jobs for the people of NSW.

So can other energy generation techniques - geothermal, solar, coal ...

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Ruling it out entirely is just typical of the stupid and radical policy platforms of the Green party.

Again, incorrect. This is one of those rare areas of policy where the National Party and the Greens find common ground.
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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.
 
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Reply #6 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:24am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 8:15am:
I don't agree with CSG mining near homes, agricultural land or sources of drinking water, but nowhere does it say "under homes". Grow up!  Roll Eyes

Yes, "Under" is a bit misleading. "Too close to" would be more accurate, given that 600m is less than the 2000m exclusion zone.

Yet can we confirm that none of the effects of the CSG process ever spreads 600 metres from the site of the well? If we cannot, then "under" is in fact a possibility.

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Reply #7 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:42am
 
guess it'd be ok if the application was a great cluster of bird choppers - the real industrialised shame of farm land and parks across the globe.
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Reply #8 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:48am
 
How can the fracking companies guarantee that subterranean water aquifers
which have existed for millions of years and act  in many cases
as a source of pure drinking & stock & agricultural water won't  be ruined forever?

e.g. contaminated with radioactivity from uranium or
some other poisonous mineral?

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Reply #9 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:57am
 
Bam wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
You've been a touch untruthful yourself, methinks


Really, how?

Bam wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
Wait, what? Too close to homes and it's just political spin? I think you need to explain this.


If the process mentioned is within 600m of residential properties then it is within the buffer zone and should not be approved.  Carrying on like a pork chop about something that has not even been assessed yet is political spin.....savvy?

Bam wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
Buckingham is stating an OPINION.


That's a good one... Grin  Julia was just staing an opinion when she said there'd be "no carbon tax" was she? Grin

Bam wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
That is debatable.


So debate it.

Bam wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
So can many other cheaper and/or less controversial energy generation techniques.


Bring them on then, it's a free country.  If these 'lone ranger' energy sources are indeed cheaper and less controversial then they will be more competitive won't they Bam?

Bam wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
False. It increases CO2 emissions because it turns fossil C into CO2. Do try to keep up.


If the use of natural gas replaces the use of other 'dirtier' fosil fuels it will reduce emmissions?  Do try to keep up. Huh

Bam wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
To whose profit? The government of Singapore?


As I said...the tax payers of NSW.  Royalties, jobs, infrastructure, income taxes, investment, consumption = wealth and prosperity.

It is also a buffer for rural communities against drought.  Mining royalties and the cash investment and jobs created in rural communities will fund rural commerce and regenerate rural communities and provide diversified income sources in times of drought.

Bam wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
I thought you were against the carbon tax?


I'm against all taxes but they are a necessary evil in a civilised society.

My point is that the natural gas industry creates jobs, people with those jobs spend their incomes and create more jobs and generate profits for local business which creates jobs.  Profits and taxes rec'd from individuals and business fund the bloodsucking Govt.

Bam wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
So can other energy generation techniques - geothermal, solar, coal ...


Yes they can but do you see me advocating the ban on these energy sources?  Go for it I say.  If they can be cheaper and more efficient than natural gas bring them on. Smiley

Bam wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
Again, incorrect. This is one of those rare areas of policy where the National Party and the Greens find common ground.


Show me where the NATS want to rule CSG out entirely?







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Reply #10 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:57am
 
why would anyone even consider taking a chance with our water supply and farmland when there are much better alternatives out there ...

if just proves that level of stupidity by the posters on this forum
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Reply #11 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 10:09am
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:57am:
why would anyone even consider taking a chance with our water supply and farmland


You know the really stupid thing about current fracking laws? The only two industries that can get an exemption for fracking on their lands are horse studs and wineries. Yup thats right - screw prime farming land - who needs food? Much more important to protect our precious horse studs and wine  Tongue

And where are the nationals in all this? You know, the party thats supposed to represent farmers? Oh thats right, they're backing the liberals to the hilt on this fracking madness.
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Reply #12 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 10:25am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 10:09am:
John Smith wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:57am:
why would anyone even consider taking a chance with our water supply and farmland


You know the really stupid thing about current fracking laws? The only two industries that can get an exemption for fracking on their lands are horse studs and wineries. Yup thats right - screw prime farming land - who needs food? Much more important to protect our precious horse studs and wine  Tongue

And where are the nationals in all this? You know, the party thats supposed to represent farmers? Oh thats right, they're backing the liberals to the hilt on this fracking madness.


Very true.
What are the dangerous chemicals that they pump into our aquifers?
It's crazy to even consider damaging our aquifers.

Here we are - the driest continent on earth & idiots want to
risk ruining our sometimes only source of water forever!
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Reply #13 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 10:36am
 
The USA has fracced its way to energy security  (quite amazing).
with the litigious nature of the yanks, if there were major problmes, some erin brockovich type drama -queen would be all over it.
seems it is probably reasonably safe.
then , again, i like nuclear. Wink Wink
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Reply #14 - Oct 3rd, 2013 at 10:51am
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:57am:
why would anyone even consider taking a chance with our water supply and farmland when there are much better alternatives out there ...


Geezuz I keep hearing about these "better alternatives"?

WTF are they?

If they are "better" they would be being used NOW.


John Smith wrote on Oct 3rd, 2013 at 9:57am:
if just proves that level of stupidity by the posters on this forum


Such as yourself, Yes.  Grin
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