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Re: Majority
Reply #75 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 8:55pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

# wrote on Oct 6^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

From the smallest club, through company boards to the governments of our states and nation, the significance of majority is recognised. Perversely, those in denial about global warming assert that a majority of scientists is insignificant.

Is majority insignificant, merely because it involves scientists?

More people believe that there is a god than don't so what god do you believe in?

I think you'll find Complicit Conspirator ( aka I B )
that the number of people who claim no religion has been on a continuous upward trend for many yrs now, in B of Stats .

And let us not forget .. many people are incapable of properly understanding and answering 'Forms'... so the results are always skewed.
People who were brought up in say.. a Cof E family... may never have thought of the dogma associated.. ever.. Roll Eyes

but when faced with a Census form... and asked about religion/..... will put down C of E ..even tho it is totally irrelevant and non existent in their daily lives..

Statistics... Roll Eyes

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Reply #76 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 9:21pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:25am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:42am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 11:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 10:13pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 10:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 9:33pm:

Vuk11 wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 9:30pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 9:14pm:

are you typing to yourself?

Wait do you think I'm Muso and Ajax? That we are one and the same?
You're serious.....

He's a paranoid psychotic.

I am no longer genuine?

Hard to tell.

well there is a huge difference between a genuine paranoid psychotic and just a plain, run of the mill, ordinary, paranoid psychotic

If that makes you happy.

So explain to everyone in here how you arrived at the factual conclusion that Human activities such as fossil fuel combustion and de forestation CANNOT cause the planet to warm.

Isn't deforestation additional to your original argument?
In any case you're confusing "could" with "did" which requires a burden of proof from you.
You still havn't "explained" the relationship between CO2 and temperature since the Precambrian...because you can't...without knocking down your own sand castle.

So you are claiming that CO2 is not a by product of fossil fuel combustion and that it is NOT a greenhouse gas.

Interesting idea you rotting slab of decaying weasel excrement

Hee heee

don't it make ya wonder...?

Well said CL

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Reply #77 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 9:26pm

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:52pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

Vuk11 wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

is that what you and muso think? Wink

In my opinion it seems like you think you have some sort of authority?
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no, my goal here is to be permanently banned - it would be an honour to be dismissed by a fascist fake regime of neurotic clown freaks and liars

Don't be a fool.

foolosophy: the wisdom of foolishness

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Reply #78 - Oct 26^th, 2013 at 4:40pm

Chimpy the Earth is going to cool, because the sun hasn't got any more measles, well at least not for acouple of decades anyway.

Its already started, we have had more than one third of ALL manmade CO2 emissions going into our atmosphere since 1998 yet temperature have flat lined.

This has left your furores scratching their heads, their computer circulations models showed unequivocal every decade.

HHHmmmmnnnn now do you think there might be something wrong with their hypothesis....????

Its not in a test tube.......!!!...pal.... this is the Earth we're talking about.....????

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Reply #79 - Oct 26^th, 2013 at 7:04pm

Ajax wrote on Oct 26^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

Chimpy the Earth is going to cool, because the sun hasn't got any more measles, well at least not for acouple of decades anyway.

Its already started, we have had more than one third of ALL manmade CO2 emissions going into our atmosphere since 1998 yet temperature have flat lined.

This has left your furores scratching their heads, their computer circulations models showed unequivocal every decade.

HHHmmmmnnnn now do you think there might be something wrong with their hypothesis....????

Its not in a test tube.......!!!...pal.... this is the Earth we're talking about.....????

the thermal retention rate hasn't flat lined

You need to study some more Mr Ajax - go deeper into the realm of truth just like the great ancient Greek philosophers did.

You may not like what you find!

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Reply #80 - Oct 27^th, 2013 at 12:07pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 26^th, 2013 at 7:04pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 26^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

Chimpy the Earth is going to cool, because the sun hasn't got any more measles, well at least not for acouple of decades anyway.

Its already started, we have had more than one third of ALL manmade CO2 emissions going into our atmosphere since 1998 yet temperature have flat lined.

This has left your furores scratching their heads, their computer circulations models showed unequivocal every decade.

HHHmmmmnnnn now do you think there might be something wrong with their hypothesis....????

Its not in a test tube.......!!!...pal.... this is the Earth we're talking about.....????

the thermal retention rate hasn't flat lined

You need to study some more Mr Ajax - go deeper into the realm of truth just like the great ancient Greek philosophers did.

You may not like what you find!

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Reply #81 - Oct 27^th, 2013 at 12:58pm

Ajax wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 26^th, 2013 at 7:04pm:

Ajax wrote on Oct 26^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

Chimpy the Earth is going to cool, because the sun hasn't got any more measles, well at least not for acouple of decades anyway.

Its already started, we have had more than one third of ALL manmade CO2 emissions going into our atmosphere since 1998 yet temperature have flat lined.

This has left your furores scratching their heads, their computer circulations models showed unequivocal every decade.

HHHmmmmnnnn now do you think there might be something wrong with their hypothesis....????

Its not in a test tube.......!!!...pal.... this is the Earth we're talking about.....????

the thermal retention rate hasn't flat lined

You need to study some more Mr Ajax - go deeper into the realm of truth just like the great ancient Greek philosophers did.

You may not like what you find!

http://i44.tinypic.com/e0lq8n.jpg

are you having romantic notions Ajax?

and you're not even Greek - very funny indeed

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Reply #83 - Oct 28^th, 2013 at 11:36am

Tony Abbott's new direct action sceptics

Leading economists have overwhelmingly rejected Tony Abbott's direct action climate change policy and backed carbon pricing.

A Fairfax Media survey of 35 prominent university and business economists found only two believed direct action was the better way to limit Australia's greenhouse gas emissions. Thirty - or 86 per cent - favoured the existing carbon price scheme. Three rejected both schemes.

Internationally renowned Australian economist Justin Wolfers, of the Washington-based Brookings Institution and the University of Michigan, said he was surprised that any economists would opt for direct action, under which the government will pay for emissions cuts by businesses and farmers from a budget worth $2.88 billion over four years.
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Professor Wolfers said direct action would involve more economic disruption but have a lesser environmental pay-off than an emissions trading scheme, under which big emitters must pay for their pollution.

The extraordinary challenge of limiting global warming to less than 2 degrees - the level scientists consider necessary - was underlined by a new report by European consultants Ecofys that found Australia would have to cut emissions by at least 27 per cent by 2020 to play its part.

Australia has a bipartisan target of 5 per cent below 2000 levels by 2020. The Climate Change Authority - set up by Labor and which the Coalition plans to abolish - will this week release its draft recommendation on Australia's 2020 target.

Some said the direct action plan would rely too much on bureaucratic decisions. "If I had to make a choice between pricing carbon and having bureaucrats allocating permits, then I'm going to go for the market mechanism every time," said Rob Henderson, a National Australia Bank senior economist.

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It seems there may now be both a scientific & an Economists majority?

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Vuk11 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1797 QLD Gender:	Re: Majority Reply #84 - Oct 28^th, 2013 at 11:46am The lesser of two evils it seems.
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Reply #86 - Oct 28^th, 2013 at 1:28pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 9:22am:

# wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 8:54am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 10:32am:

... majority is totally meaningless in science, ...

What is majority? Is it a statistic? Do statistics have no place in science?

The fact of the consensus offends the denialist faithful. The fact that the consensus hardens by the day whips them into frenzies of further denial. Doesn't change the facts though.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 10:32am:

Since science is 'majority based', does that mean that the Earth is flat, at the centre of the Universe, and the Sun orbits the Earth???

I presume you're getting confused over Galileo and Copernicus.

Galileo was a scientist who had the temerity to elevate science over the dominant religious orthodoxy. He didn't discover anything new; if you look into it, you'll find that the Greeks knew that the earth is round, centuries before Christ. Copernicus, I'll leave to you.

That you don't know the difference between science and religion does your credibility no good. It probably explains your denialism though.

That you can't spot sarcasm isn't that much of a surprise...

But being confused over 'majority' when that's the thread title that YOU chose is just ridiculous. And selectively quoting a response to your OP is being deliberately dishonest..

p.s Not 'denialism'...skepticism.

scepticism is a Greek word, it means being able to think and question what is happening in the world around you and temper that understanding with experience and wisdom. It is a critical element in the scientific method.

that kind of rules you out doesn't it you smelly freaked up weasel stench clown maggot

Actually..it 'rules' me 'IN', since the concept of 'scepticism' means ' being able to think and question what is happening in the world around you and temper that understanding with experience and wisdom.'...which is what I actually do..

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Reply #87 - Oct 28^th, 2013 at 1:31pm

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 4:31pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 4:01pm:

namnugenot wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 2:29pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 9:59am:

VUK11 and Ajax Clowns

Have you both been following the spring fires in NSW ?

Where is the cooling/static temperature model and supporting theories, that I requested? You only have until the end of 2019, you better get to work soon on your simple task!!.

The only model that takes account of all variables, interactions and negative and positive feedbacks is the one we're in...every thing else is speculation and most equates to garbage in, garbage out as in no models predicted the warming "pause"...so it can't happen...the model don't allow it. Here's a cooling prediction however from the IPCC for Britain (actually big chunks of the NH would be effected) for the gulf stream to slow by 20 to 44 percent. However to tie this to any anthropogenic warming is a bit rich as it has stopped and started many times in the past without our help.

jet powered flight is also controlled and optimised using computer modelling theory and empirical data

do you fly much?

So what your saying is, if jet propulsion models were done by climate change pseudo scientist, every plane would never have gotten off the ground without crashing.

Yes, that is exactly what he is saying...

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Reply #88 - Oct 28^th, 2013 at 1:37pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 9:59am:

VUK11 and Ajax Clowns

Have you both been following the spring fires in NSW ?

Where is the cooling/static temperature model and supporting theories, that I requested? You only have until the end of 2019, you better get to work soon on your simple task!!.

Yes, I have been, what's your point??

"Spring Fires" in NSW are NOT in anyway unusual

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Reply #89 - Oct 28^th, 2013 at 1:40pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 9:22am:

# wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 8:54am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 10:32am:

... majority is totally meaningless in science, ...

What is majority? Is it a statistic? Do statistics have no place in science?

The fact of the consensus offends the denialist faithful. The fact that the consensus hardens by the day whips them into frenzies of further denial. Doesn't change the facts though.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 10:32am:

Since science is 'majority based', does that mean that the Earth is flat, at the centre of the Universe, and the Sun orbits the Earth???

I presume you're getting confused over Galileo and Copernicus.

Galileo was a scientist who had the temerity to elevate science over the dominant religious orthodoxy. He didn't discover anything new; if you look into it, you'll find that the Greeks knew that the earth is round, centuries before Christ. Copernicus, I'll leave to you.

That you don't know the difference between science and religion does your credibility no good. It probably explains your denialism though.

That you can't spot sarcasm isn't that much of a surprise...

But being confused over 'majority' when that's the thread title that YOU chose is just ridiculous. And selectively quoting a response to your OP is being deliberately dishonest..

p.s Not 'denialism'...skepticism.

scepticism is a Greek word, it means being able to think and question what is happening in the world around you and temper that understanding with experience and wisdom. It is a critical element in the scientific method.

that kind of rules you out doesn't it you smelly freaked up weasel stench clown maggot

Actually..it 'rules' me 'IN', since the concept of 'scepticism' means ' being able to think and question what is happening in the world around you and temper that understanding with experience and wisdom.'...which is what I actually do..

I cant find any evidence that supports your public sermon and its application to your particular situation.

And on that basis alone, you are required to render a public and written apology.

You have 36 hours to satisfy these requirements otherwise you risk been referred to as a filthy rotting seam of decaying sloth excrement stench.

And we wouldn't want that to eventuate - NOW WOULD WE MR gizmo you freak clown maggot

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