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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #165 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 5:58pm

Vuk11 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 5:55pm:

c02 Does act like a green house gas, however there are external factors besides greenhouse gasses that minimize or reverse the effects. An increase in c02 does not always coincide with an increase in temperature. c02 helps increase temperature but raising it does not mean temperature will raise due to these external factors like carbon sinks.

Is that clear enough?
Your original point was c02 causes temperature to increase.
I have said that I am not disputing the greenhouse effect, that's why I said you or someone was before confusing AGW with "green house effect".
My dispute was that it's not black and white and doesn't increase temperature unless in certain controlled conditions that we currently don't have.

Now that's a little bit better

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10982 Australia Gender:	Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming Reply #166 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 8:42pm Even when the evidence gets shoved right under your noses you refuse to aknowledge it. Like I said you people remind me of the orange people. With Rajendra Kumar Pachauri as your swami......!!!!...LMFAO
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Vuk11 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1797 QLD Gender:	Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming Reply #167 - Oct 18^th, 2013 at 8:56pm So no answers about Burt Rutan's PDF? I guess you guys are still going to tout "muh 97%!", in the face of the clear manipulation and the contradiction of the actual facts. But that's okay facts and bias mean little to people that come from a position of "world ending" fear.
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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #168 - Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:02am

Ajax wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 8:42pm:

Even when the evidence gets shoved right under your noses you refuse to aknowledge it.

Like I said you people remind me of the orange people.

With Rajendra Kumar Pachauri as your swami......!!!!...LMFAO

do you deal with evidence?

interesting self delusional neurosis you have there

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ImSpartacus2 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6913	Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming Reply #169 - Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:24am .
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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #170 - Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:24am

Vuk11 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

the number of lies and distortions you have posted on this topic may well be a record

you should be ashamed of your self deluded deceptions and embarrassing level of public incompetence

be gone, freak clown maggot of spin YOUR TIME IS UP

Dude I haven't lied at all. I posted for you the true results of the Cook et al survey. I explained to you how they manipulated the data, it's all there it's all factual there is no if buts opinions about it. 8% explicitly endorsed AGW, of those 8% many were miss classified, the IPCC lead author DID blast the survey and he WAS labeled a denier by the Survey's leader. Those quotes in my above links were from the authors of papers used in the survey complaining about the survey.

You are the biggest troll on this forum if you refuse to read and refuse to acknowledge fact, not just that, but the opinions of scientists are clear, they don't support the survey the only people that do are the folks and followers over a skepticalscience.com.

I had a feeling you would just ignore and call us liars. You must be in denial ignoring all those facts and all those quotes and all those links.

Have you had a chance to read Burt Rutan's data analysis? He destroys the IPCC and almost every single graph they and SkepticalScience use for their arguments. Bogus temperature readings, bogus hockey stick, the data is ridiculously against the AGW theory. This isn't attack against you, it's just us shedding light on facts, opinions, logic and data. If you want to ignore them go ahead. Just lay off the ad hominems would ya? Wink

BS. You posted lies and conspiracy theory. Ohh the scientist have all made up global warming for funding. And they have continued to tell this lie with more lies to cover up the lies for over 2 decades. Why? For funding. But never mind the fossil fuel companies and right wing institutes associated with them, where you cut and paste all your propaganda from. Let's just forget they're potential for doctoring the data to protect their trillion dollar industry (ohh no its the few million in research grants that you focus on as the threat to truth). You say your not a denier but a skeptic. OK then tell us what the scientists are saying about anthropogenic global warming that does give you cause to believe them. Come on these people are scientists. There must be heaps they're saying that is correct about anthropogenic global warming so please list them. I expect to see a big list now. Let's see how genuine you are. Or are you arguing that everything they say is made up and the world can't see through it? Give me your list boy. Let me see your list.

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #171 - Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:24am

Vuk11 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

the number of lies and distortions you have posted on this topic may well be a record

you should be ashamed of your self deluded deceptions and embarrassing level of public incompetence

be gone, freak clown maggot of spin YOUR TIME IS UP

Dude I haven't lied at all. I posted for you the true results of the Cook et al survey. I explained to you how they manipulated the data, it's all there it's all factual there is no if buts opinions about it. 8% explicitly endorsed AGW, of those 8% many were miss classified, the IPCC lead author DID blast the survey and he WAS labeled a denier by the Survey's leader. Those quotes in my above links were from the authors of papers used in the survey complaining about the survey.

You are the biggest troll on this forum if you refuse to read and refuse to acknowledge fact, not just that, but the opinions of scientists are clear, they don't support the survey the only people that do are the folks and followers over a skepticalscience.com.

I had a feeling you would just ignore and call us liars. You must be in denial ignoring all those facts and all those quotes and all those links.

Have you had a chance to read Burt Rutan's data analysis? He destroys the IPCC and almost every single graph they and SkepticalScience use for their arguments. Bogus temperature readings, bogus hockey stick, the data is ridiculously against the AGW theory. This isn't attack against you, it's just us shedding light on facts, opinions, logic and data. If you want to ignore them go ahead. Just lay off the ad hominems would ya? Wink

BS. You posted lies and conspiracy theory. Ohh the scientist have all made up global warming for funding. And they have continued to tell this lie with more lies to cover up the lies for over 2 decades. Why? For funding. But never mind the fossil fuel companies and right wing institutes associated with them, where you cut and paste all your propaganda from. Let's just forget they're potential for doctoring the data to protect their trillion dollar industry (ohh no its the few million in research grants that you focus on as the threat to truth). You say your not a denier but a skeptic. OK then tell us what the scientists are saying about anthropogenic global warming that does give you cause to believe them. Come on these people are scientists. There must be heaps they're saying that is correct about anthropogenic global warming so please list them. I expect to see a big list now. Let's see how genuine you are. Or are you arguing that everything they say is made up and the world can't see through it? Give me your list boy. Let me see your list.

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #173 - Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:29am

Ajax wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 8:42pm:

Even when the evidence gets shoved right under your noses you refuse to aknowledge it.

Like I said you people remind me of the orange people.

With Rajendra Kumar Pachauri as your swami......!!!!...LMFAO

Your assertions are not evidence of anything.They're just assertions. To quote you "Sorry doesn't work that way". Go crawl back in your hole. A whole day without your corporate funded BS was great. You should keep it up.

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #174 - Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:38am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:24am:

Vuk11 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

the number of lies and distortions you have posted on this topic may well be a record

you should be ashamed of your self deluded deceptions and embarrassing level of public incompetence

be gone, freak clown maggot of spin YOUR TIME IS UP

Dude I haven't lied at all. I posted for you the true results of the Cook et al survey. I explained to you how they manipulated the data, it's all there it's all factual there is no if buts opinions about it. 8% explicitly endorsed AGW, of those 8% many were miss classified, the IPCC lead author DID blast the survey and he WAS labeled a denier by the Survey's leader. Those quotes in my above links were from the authors of papers used in the survey complaining about the survey.

You are the biggest troll on this forum if you refuse to read and refuse to acknowledge fact, not just that, but the opinions of scientists are clear, they don't support the survey the only people that do are the folks and followers over a skepticalscience.com.

I had a feeling you would just ignore and call us liars. You must be in denial ignoring all those facts and all those quotes and all those links.

Have you had a chance to read Burt Rutan's data analysis? He destroys the IPCC and almost every single graph they and SkepticalScience use for their arguments. Bogus temperature readings, bogus hockey stick, the data is ridiculously against the AGW theory. This isn't attack against you, it's just us shedding light on facts, opinions, logic and data. If you want to ignore them go ahead. Just lay off the ad hominems would ya? Wink

BS. You posted lies and conspiracy theory. Ohh the scientist have all made up global warming for funding. And they have continued to tell this lie with more lies to cover up the lies for over 2 decades. Why? For funding. But never mind the fossil fuel companies and right wing institutes associated with them, where you cut and paste all your propaganda from. Let's just forget they're potential for doctoring the data to protect their trillion dollar industry (ohh no its the few million in research grants that you focus on as the threat to truth). You say your not a denier but a skeptic. OK then tell us what the scientists are saying about anthropogenic global warming that does give you cause to believe them. Come on these people are scientists. There must be heaps they're saying that is correct about anthropogenic global warming so please list them. I expect to see a big list now. Let's see how genuine you are. Or are you arguing that everything they say is made up and the world can't see through it? Give me your list boy. Let me see your list.

There is no other option for them other than to repeat the spin, lies and propaganda.

It is similar to the situation with the tobacco corporations. Right up to this day, they still officially deny the causal link between smoking their products and increase in health risks (cancer etc)

In fact the 5 heads of the main tobacco corporations swore on oath in a Congressional hearing that they were UNAWARE of any direct causal links between smoking tobacco and cancer. All 5 presidents resigned soon after the hearings were completed. (obviously their lawyers had instructed them to plead ignorance on this particular health risk issue)

Surprisingly, the fossil fuel corporations don't have any objections to the science that underpins AGW and climate change etc.

They issued a joint public statement about a decade ago, calling for urgent actions to be taken internationally to tackle the effects AGW. (this does not stop them from funding spin doctors, releasing propaganda via third parties etc)

EXXON for example, the worlds largest corporate structure (in human history) accepts the science of AGW and has called for urgent action to be taken globally to mitigate climate change and other effects.

To be a AGW denier these days takes great commitment to being isolated and a supreme devotion to the priests of their cult religion. I am very impressed with their level of self delusion. I have never seen anything like it since the flat earth Society had its first global meeting

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Reply #175 - Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:51am

Look anyone can easily and demonstrably provide links to support whatever they "assert". That much is demonstrated, likewise, those who have decided already won't spend much time on the actual link, but, will inevitably respond by dismissing the credibility of the author. Ironically, how we work out which times that discrediting is an accurate analysis vs simply dismissing information that is too hard to respond to is at best complex. However, for the main part that decision seems based on ideology rather than any critically considered basis.

The problem is that both sides arguing this fail to recognise the goose and gander stuff they say, like claiming "TRUE" in block letters. Using block letters generally won't make true any truer and for some readers only raises doubts about the actual voracity....

Now, here is a link that is interesting (IMHO), however, I suspect that those who would claim to be sceptical about AGW will reject this site pretty much out of hand.

Anyway, here goes;

http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/climate-denial-crock-of-the-week/

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #176 - Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:55am

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

Look anyone can easily and demonstrably provide links to support whatever they "assert".

That's the point!

Can they provide peer reviewed scientific evidence to support their lunacy ?

You see the difference don't you?

I can provide you a link that supports the notion that humans have never landed on the moon.

I also have plenty of links that suggest there are reptilian aliens living amongst us - some of them Royals, some are US presidents. Must be correct - I HAVE A LINK

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #177 - Oct 19^th, 2013 at 12:09pm

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 11:51am:

The problem is that both sides arguing this fail....

both sides?

this is only the case in the mass media and on the internet.

In the scientific community, the issue as to whether human activities can warm the planet has long been resolved - it is a non controversial scientific fact as it stands.

The accuracy of predicting the effects of AGW on the climate, sea levels, ice cover etc., using different modelling techniques will always produce a polemical challenge.

BUT notice, there are NO climate models to my knowledge that predict a static or decreasing global temperature as CO2 levels rise. Funny that, If there were indeed a split in the scientific community with regards to human activities influencing future climate etc, then one would expect a raft of mathematical modelling predicting future warming and cooling as well as static scenarios.

But all we have is predicted warming.

So the challenge for the AGW deniers is to produce verifiable evidence and theoretical modelling that supports their stance

And of course they cant - they cant even publish in peer reviewed scientific journals for a very good reason!

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Reply #179 - Oct 19^th, 2013 at 12:51pm

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/03/07/scientist-rebukes-latest-factually-wrong...

Hmm, that is concerning isn't it?

...this doesn't mean that currently accepted theories and facts in science are immutable and unchallengeable.

In fact science thrives upon revolution and paradigm shifts.

But it takes evidence to abandon one theory for another, or to refute currently accepted ideas or facts.

At the moment, Anthropogenically driven global warming (AGW) is a scientific notion strongly supported by theory and observational evidence.

The problem is, the future ramifications of AGW are very serious for humanity if rising CO2 levels aren't abated today.

Who has the moral and ethical right to advocate NON-ACTION on AGW that will effect ALL of humanity in the future?

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