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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #45 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:30am

For those of you who don't know, "astroturfing" is a device increasingly used on internet sites like ozpolitics to build credibility for an implausible position and to give the appearance of greater support for that position then there actually is. Indeed, the Heartland Institute has a history of engaging in astroturfing to push its global warming denier agenda. So I suggest you be very wary of those on this site who seem to be almost exclusively interested in global warming and take every opportunity to rehash the same absurd arguments over and over and cut and paste large screeds of the same tired graphs from denier sites because they might well be minions of the fossil fuel industry pretending to be interested in global warming when in fact they're here on a mission to serve the interests of their corporate masters. And above all don't be fooled by these people into thinking that there's an increase in global warming deniers because thats what they want you to think. Wikipedia has a good article on the increasing use of astroturfing and "sock puppets" on the internet (any bets on whose the sock puppets in here?).

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Reply #46 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:33am

Irony much?

OMG "warmists" are conspiracy theorists too, so the "deniers" obviously are not conspiracy theorists too...

Every single argument presented about the "type" of people and the kind of actions that warmists take can be applied tenfold to the denier camp. Who would have thunk it.

Ironic that neither side recognises this simple feature of the paltry argument.

Yet we still have a pollution issue largely ignored. Now, one has to wonder (and only one it would seem) who stands to gain the most from this ongoing debate (regardless of the now irrelevant outcome)... That would be the area of genuine concern. Whoever gains or profits from this ongoing debate is the real evil in this sorry saga.

Continue on with your graphs, misinformation, predictions, counter arguments and half truths the lot of you. In the end polluters are the winners from all of your dithering.

On the 26th of January you are all invited to celebrate little white penal day...

"They're not rules as such, more like guidelines" Pirates of the Caribbean..

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #47 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:31am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:30am:

For those of you who don't know, "astroturfing" is a device increasingly used on internet sites like ozpolitics to build credibility for an implausible position and to give the appearance of greater support for that position then there actually is. Indeed, the Heartland Institute has a history of engaging in astroturfing to push its global warming denier agenda. So I suggest you be very wary of those on this site who seem to be almost exclusively interested in global warming and take every opportunity to rehash the same absurd arguments over and over and cut and paste large screeds of the same tired graphs from denier sites because they might well be minions of the fossil fuel industry pretending to be interested in global warming when in fact they're here on a mission to serve the interests of their corporate masters. And above all don't be fooled by these people into thinking that there's an increase in global warming deniers because thats what they want you to think. Wikipedia has a good article on the increasing use of astroturfing and "sock puppets" on the internet (any bets on whose the sock puppets in here?).

To people who are genuinely concerned about the environment, politics and our standard of living.

All I have to say is don't take what the so called "experts" are telling us all verbatim.

Do some research, view both sides of the argument and make up your own mind.

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #48 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:39am

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:33am:

Irony much?

OMG "warmists" are conspiracy theorists too, so the "deniers" obviously are not conspiracy theorists too...

Every single argument presented about the "type" of people and the kind of actions that warmists take can be applied tenfold to the denier camp. Who would have thunk it.

Ironic that neither side recognises this simple feature of the paltry argument.

Yet we still have a pollution issue largely ignored. Now, one has to wonder (and only one it would seem) who stands to gain the most from this ongoing debate (regardless of the now irrelevant outcome)... That would be the area of genuine concern. Whoever gains or profits from this ongoing debate is the real evil in this sorry saga.

Continue on with your graphs, misinformation, predictions, counter arguments and half truths the lot of you. In the end polluters are the winners from all of your dithering.

Phemanderac like I keep telling you carbon pricing will not stop corporation from dumping chemicals in our creeks, rivers, estuaries, oceans and land.

You keep saying to clean up pollution, you wrap pollution in with carbon pricing.

Carbon pricing will only attempt to clean up manmade CO2 and nothing else.

If you are so concerned about pollution why aren't you talking about it.

For example the Spanish company that wants to dump its nuclear waste in central Australia, this deal is on the verge of being signed off and yet we haven't heard anything about it.......??????

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #49 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:33am

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:31am:

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To people who are genuinely concerned about the environment, politics and our standard of living.

Note that quality of life doesn't get a mention.

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:31am:

... don't take what the so called "experts" are telling us all verbatim.

Do some research, view both sides of the argument and make up your own mind.

Take care to consider the quality of sources. The views of the highest quality are pretty consistent.

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #50 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:41am

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:39am:

... carbon pricing will not stop corporation from dumping chemicals in our creeks, rivers, estuaries, oceans and land.

Who has said that it will?

On the other hand, the do what they're designed to do very well.

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:39am:

... you wrap pollution in with carbon pricing.
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Who does?

I've never known anyone to confuse carbon pricing with all pollution. Except you.

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #51 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:54am

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

Note that quality of life doesn't get a mention.

I thought that would be covered by standard of living, but yeah by all means include it, its not a conspiracy that I left it out......!!!!

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Take care to consider the quality of sources. The views of the highest quality are pretty consistent.

I agree........... Cheesy

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #52 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:57am

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

Who has said that it will?

The way some of you guys carry on, you make it sound like carbon pricing will fix all our pollution problems.

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Who does?

I've never known anyone to confuse carbon pricing with all pollution. Except you.

Your sides does.......!!!!!

So reader beware carbon pricing will only place a tax on human CO2 emissions, it will not clean up other forms of pollution......... Shocked

Shocked

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #53 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:25am

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

Who has said that it will?

The way some of you guys carry on, you make it sound like carbon pricing will fix all our pollution problems.

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Who does?

I've never known anyone to confuse carbon pricing with all pollution. Except you.

Your sides does.......!!!!!

So reader beware carbon pricing will only place a tax on human CO2 emissions, it will not clean up other forms of pollution......... Shocked

Shocked

Cool

You assert much and substantiate nothing.

At least you seem to concede that pricing carbon will reduce carbon pollution.

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #54 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:29am

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

Note that quality of life doesn't get a mention.

I thought that would be covered by standard of living, ...

The two are very different.

In very broad terms:-
Standard of living: what we have.
Quality of life: how we feel.

Beyond a point, having more doesn't make us feel better. It can have the opposite effect.

Much unhappiness springs from confusing the two.

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #55 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:30am

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

You assert much and substantiate nothing.

I don't assert anything.

I substantiate what I say with posts of what the scientists that aren't on the AGW religion's gravy train are saying.

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At least you seem to concede that pricing carbon will reduce carbon pollution.

Can you really be that naïve.......????

Do you honestly think once bankers and other moguls have the $2 to $10 trillion dollar carbon credit derivatives market up and running that they will care how much manmade CO2 will be released into our atmosphere...????

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #56 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:32am

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:33am:

Note that quality of life doesn't get a mention.

I thought that would be covered by standard of living, ...

The two are very different.

In very broad terms:-
Standard of living: what we have.
Quality of life: how we feel.

Beyond a point, having more doesn't make us feel better. It can have the opposite effect.

Much unhappiness springs from confusing the two.

Whatever....!!!!....i'm not going to argue trifles.

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #57 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:41am

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:30am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

You assert much and substantiate nothing.

I don't assert anything.

I substantiate what I say with posts of what the scientists that aren't on the AGW religion's gravy train are saying.

Quote:

At least you seem to concede that pricing carbon will reduce carbon pollution.

Can you really be that naïve.......????

Do you honestly think once bankers and other moguls have the $2 to $10 trillion dollar carbon credit derivatives market up and running that they will care how much manmade CO2 will be released into our atmosphere...????

Of course, it's all a grand conspiracy.

I should have realised. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #58 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:43am

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:30am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

You assert much and substantiate nothing.

I don't assert anything.

I substantiate what I say with posts of what the scientists that aren't on the AGW religion's gravy train are saying.

Quote:

At least you seem to concede that pricing carbon will reduce carbon pollution.

Can you really be that naïve.......????

Do you honestly think once bankers and other moguls have the $2 to $10 trillion dollar carbon credit derivatives market up and running that they will care how much manmade CO2 will be released into our atmosphere...????

Of course, it's all a grand conspiracy.

I should have realised. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Look at the European Emissions Trading Scheme....??????

Which we would have joined under the labor green government...???

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #59 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:50am

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:30am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

You assert much and substantiate nothing.

I don't assert anything.

I substantiate what I say with posts of what the scientists that aren't on the AGW religion's gravy train are saying.

Quote:

At least you seem to concede that pricing carbon will reduce carbon pollution.

Can you really be that naïve.......????

Do you honestly think once bankers and other moguls have the $2 to $10 trillion dollar carbon credit derivatives market up and running that they will care how much manmade CO2 will be released into our atmosphere...????

Of course, it's all a grand conspiracy.

I should have realised. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Look at the European Emissions Trading Scheme....??????

Which we would have joined under the labor green government...???

Carbon Markets Cut Emissions 17x Cheaper

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