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Reply #60 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:55am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:30am:

For those of you who don't know, "astroturfing" is a device increasingly used on internet sites like ozpolitics to build credibility for an implausible position and to give the appearance of greater support for that position then there actually is. Indeed, the Heartland Institute has a history of engaging in astroturfing to push its global warming denier agenda. So I suggest you be very wary of those on this site who seem to be almost exclusively interested in global warming and take every opportunity to rehash the same absurd arguments over and over and cut and paste large screeds of the same tired graphs from denier sites because they might well be minions of the fossil fuel industry pretending to be interested in global warming when in fact they're here on a mission to serve the interests of their corporate masters. And above all don't be fooled by these people into thinking that there's an increase in global warming deniers because thats what they want you to think. Wikipedia has a good article on the increasing use of astroturfing and "sock puppets" on the internet (any bets on whose the sock puppets in here?).

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Reply #61 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:57am

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:33am:

OMG "warmists" are conspiracy theorists too, so the "deniers" obviously are not conspiracy theorists too...

Every single argument presented about the "type" of people and the kind of actions that warmists take can be applied tenfold to the denier camp. Who would have thunk it.

Umm mate, no one is saying each side is a conspiracy theory side.....we are saying Iamspartacus is a conspiracy theorist to suggest big oil companies waste money trying to make sock accounts to push an agenda on small internet communities as opposed to main stream media where Al Gore has already pushed his agenda.

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Yet we still have a pollution issue largely ignored. Now, one has to wonder (and only one it would seem) who stands to gain the most from this ongoing debate (regardless of the now irrelevant outcome)... That would be the area of genuine concern. Whoever gains or profits from this ongoing debate is the real evil in this sorry saga.

Big oil and Gas benefit from global warming induced taxation on c02 due to their biggest competitor "Coal" pumping out a sh*t tonne more c02 then the other two do. They also benefit from the carbon credit/market scheme and pass the expense onto tax payers and blame the government. Then when it's all used up they can easily transfer to another energy market.

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Continue on with your graphs, misinformation, predictions, counter arguments and half truths the lot of you. In the end polluters are the winners from all of your dithering.

How is presenting evidence contrary misinformation? I've even been using IPCC graphs, as well as neutral graphs that both the IPCC and skeptics use. How is it misinformation to just present observable fact and try and use logic? The only potential misinformation on BOTH sides is the credibility argument about who's a big oil shill and who's got what agenda. But even then you ignore blatant examples of data manipulation (Burt Rutan), IPCC's poor method (Donna Laframboise) and the climategate information suppression. (investigation or not that stuff is suss)

Please tell me how the following IPCC graph is misinformation about their failures:
(grey band removed, min max included)

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #63 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:08am

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

Who has said that it will?

The way some of you guys carry on, you make it sound like carbon pricing will fix all our pollution problems.

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Who does?

I've never known anyone to confuse carbon pricing with all pollution. Except you.

Your sides does.......!!!!!

So reader beware carbon pricing will only place a tax on human CO2 emissions, it will not clean up other forms of pollution......... Shocked

You assert much and substantiate nothing.

At least you seem to concede that pricing carbon will reduce carbon pollution.

you mean CO2 pricing and CO2 'pollution' right??? you do know that carbon and CO2 are completely different molecules? ones a gas, one isn't etc?

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Vuk11 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1797 QLD Gender:	Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming Reply #64 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:09am longweekend58 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:08am: you mean CO2 pricing and CO2 'pollution' right??? you do know that carbon and CO2 are completely different molecules? ones a gas, one isn't etc? Haha good one, people still think it's a pollutant aaaahahaha! Al Gore's gotten to they heads mhmm
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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #65 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:14am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

This really is one of the most absurd propositions I have heard in a very long time.

Really? More absurd than this?

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

It will be very interesting to see if we see global warming deniers start repeating it throughout the net. I mean, its so nonsensical and illogical that if we start seeing it repeated we really got to wonder about the extent to which the fossil fuel industry has employed minions to spread their propaganda around the net. Can you enlighten us on that? Do you know how extensive it is and how much of what the minions say is pre-organized and orchestrated, complete with suggested arguments and talking points?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mOxFpBH6YP0/UWBZWOdR2BI/AAAAAAAAMFY/goZ9_59wsHs/s1600/...

one of the most obnoxious comments from hysterics is that sceptics are funded by the oil and gas industry, it probably never occurred the them that people might make up their own mind without a bribe.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #66 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:17am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

This really is one of the most absurd propositions I have heard in a very long time.

Really? More absurd than this?

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:59pm:

It will be very interesting to see if we see global warming deniers start repeating it throughout the net. I mean, its so nonsensical and illogical that if we start seeing it repeated we really got to wonder about the extent to which the fossil fuel industry has employed minions to spread their propaganda around the net. Can you enlighten us on that? Do you know how extensive it is and how much of what the minions say is pre-organized and orchestrated, complete with suggested arguments and talking points?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mOxFpBH6YP0/UWBZWOdR2BI/AAAAAAAAMFY/goZ9_59wsHs/s1600/...

one of the most obnoxious comments from hysterics is that sceptics are funded by the oil and gas industry, it probably never occurred the them that people might make up their own mind without a bribe.

And Spartacus is probably the most obnoxious hysteric in this forum.

As another poster pointed out, he has certainly "lost the plot".

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Reply #67 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:25am

How about that skeptical blogger over at the alarmist Skeptical Science Blog.

He works for big oil...............!!!!!

He helped John Cook write that bullshit consensus 97% crap. (John Cook et al 2013)

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/22/dana-nuccitellis-vested-interest-oil-and-g...

http://www.tetratech.com/markets/oil-a-gas.html

These guys are pathetic, hypocritical garbage...??

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #68 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:32am

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:25am:

How about that skeptical blogger over at the alarmist Skeptical Science Blog.

He works for big oil...............!!!!!

He helped John Cook write that bullshit consensus 97% crap. (John Cook et al 2013)

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/22/dana-nuccitellis-vested-interest-oil-and-g...

http://i41.tinypic.com/8vyd11.png

http://www.tetratech.com/markets/oil-a-gas.html

These guys are pathetic, hypocritical garbage...??

That guy is an absolute joke.

I can't believe the alarmists still listen to the fool.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/06/05/warmist-dana-nuccitelli-chokes-on-his-own...

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #69 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:43am

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"UN IPCC Lead Author Richard Tol on Cook’s 97% Consensus study: ‘Cook survey included 10 of my 122 eligible papers. 5/10 were rated incorrectly. 4/5 were rated as endorse rather than neutral’"

Muh 97% herpa derp Tongue

No no no wait, the IPCC lead author was bought by big oil! He must be an oil shill!!
Am I right? Wink

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Reply #70 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:08am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:57am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:41am:

Who has said that it will?

The way some of you guys carry on, you make it sound like carbon pricing will fix all our pollution problems.

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Who does?

I've never known anyone to confuse carbon pricing with all pollution. Except you.

Your sides does.......!!!!!

So reader beware carbon pricing will only place a tax on human CO2 emissions, it will not clean up other forms of pollution......... Shocked

You assert much and substantiate nothing.

At least you seem to concede that pricing carbon will reduce carbon pollution.

you mean CO2 pricing and CO2 'pollution' right??? you do know that carbon and CO2 are completely different molecules? ones a gas, one isn't etc?

Yes, longweekend58, I'm well aware of the chemistry. Do you deny common usage?

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #71 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:31pm

Vuk11 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

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"UN IPCC Lead Author Richard Tol on Cook’s 97% Consensus study: ‘Cook survey included 10 of my 122 eligible papers. 5/10 were rated incorrectly. 4/5 were rated as endorse rather than neutral’"

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Given that the paper passed peer review, I'll give it more credence than a single unsubstantiated quote.

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Reply #72 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 4:03pm

Vuk11 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

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"UN IPCC Lead Author Richard Tol on Cook’s 97% Consensus study: ‘Cook survey included 10 of my 122 eligible papers. 5/10 were rated incorrectly. 4/5 were rated as endorse rather than neutral’"

Muh 97% herpa derp Tongue

No no no wait, the IPCC lead author was bought by big oil! He must be an oil shill!!
Am I right? Wink

Nuccitelli is an attention whore. Little else.

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Reply #73 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 4:05pm

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

Vuk11 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:43am:

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"UN IPCC Lead Author Richard Tol on Cook’s 97% Consensus study: ‘Cook survey included 10 of my 122 eligible papers. 5/10 were rated incorrectly. 4/5 were rated as endorse rather than neutral’"

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Given that the paper passed peer review, I'll give it more credence than a single unsubstantiated quote.

You know they peer review each other right? Cheesy

If the lead author calls it crap, that counts for something. Although a little bit of common sense and background checking would tell anyone that.

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Re: Why I dont believe In Anthropogenic Global Warming
Reply #74 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 6:37pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:14am:

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one of the most obnoxious comments from hysterics is that sceptics are funded by the oil and gas industry, it probably never occurred the them that people might make up their own mind without a bribe.

You really have a problem with fundamental logic don't you. Now work through it, slowly, one thought at a time and you will see that its possible for the oil and gas industry to fund the denialist agenda and at the same time for some people to make up their own minds without a bribe. In your case I think you have made up your own mind for your own but still for selfish reasons because you figure it wont hurt you in your life time so you dont care. In the case of Ajax and Vuk I have absolutely no confidence that they care in the truth or otherwise about global warming. I think they're motives are entirely different and I would not exclude the very real possibility that they get benefits for cutting and paseting their garbage propaganda here and your hysterical denials that this could be possible (even though this kind of thing has happened before and is on the increase) carries no weight with me because you lack logic, common sense and objectivity. With particular regard to your lack of objectivity I had to laugh the other day when I read your long winded confused piece on why you can't accept catastrophic climate change and the reason you gave seemed to come down to your claim that your a sceptical kinda guy and can't take things on faith. You, the Christian' can't take things on faith! And I thought pretty soon this guys going to click and everyone will have to look the other way from embarrassment but No. You didn't click, because you have absolutely no objectivity. All you see is your own interests and lifting a finger to ensure the survival of your species and your planet just don't figure against that.

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