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Reply #15 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 9:13am
 
You have a non Biblical conception of the Universe then.

"It's all an illusion"

Does it say in Genesis that God created the Earth as an illusion?
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Reply #16 - Nov 3rd, 2013 at 1:23pm
 
muso wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 9:13am:
You have a non Biblical conception of the Universe then.

"It's all an illusion"

Does it say in Genesis that God created the Earth as an illusion?




No it doesn't.

But the Bible does inform us, that creation, 'life the universe and everything', is a temporary and impermanent and deceptive 'reality'.




Jeremiah 31:37
Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

How big is the universe, does mankind know, muso ?

That was a bold declaration of 'Jeremiah', made about 2,600 years ago.

In that 2,600 years ago Jeremiah could not know how knowledgeable mankind would become in this present age.

Yet the bible has not yet been invalidated, by that particular declaration by Jeremiah.

The earth has no foundations, muso, it hangs in space.


Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.




Is our experience of this [created] Earth an illusion?

There is a lot we do not know, even about our own selves, let alone about the 'universe' which surrounds us!

Isaiah 64:4
For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.i
THE ILLUSION;
The average modern man believes that in his experience, in his life, he [mostly] knows and understands what is real, and what is not real.

And man believes that his collective, derived [i.e. learned] 'cultural' perceptions of what is 'obvious' and what is real are certain, as certain as the sun rising above the eastern horizon tomorrow morning.

'Seeing [with our own eyes], is believing'! [....and seeing with our own eyes, can confirm what we 'know' to be true]


THE REALITY;
Our human perception is a [self reinforcing] 'knowledge loop' of progressive learned 'judgement'.

Every skerrick of our human perception is [has been] 'informed', throughout our lives, BY THE INTERACTION OF OUR PSYCHE WITH THIS PHYSICAL WORLD.

But every skerrick of our human perception, does not inform or enhance [our] innate human 'wisdom'.

It is the other way around; Every skerrick of our human perception has been 'informed', by our interaction [from childhood] with this deceptive 'reality'.

Human perception, is unreliable - but where we have that freedom, we always defer to it.

If you are a human being, [as real as your life may seem] you are imagining this 'reality'.

And, your 'knowledge' of this 'reality' is [has been] 'informed' by your experience [and by your perception] of this 'reality' - and by nothing else!






Our collective waking human perception of the reality which we collectively experience is [mostly] reliable.
Are you sure ?
Load the page, move your mouse.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap121007.html







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Genesis 47:8
And Pharaoh said unto Jacob, How old art thou?
9  And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.


Psalms 119:19
I am a stranger in the earth: hide not thy commandments from me.


Hebrews 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9  By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10  For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.





Where is the 'promised land' ?

Ezekiel 20:38
And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #17 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 6:55pm
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 1:23pm:
Jeremiah 31:37
Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

How big is the universe, does mankind know, muso ?

Quote:
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.




Divided the waters eh? So when it rains, the rain comes from heaven through holes in the firmament?
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Reply #18 - Dec 10th, 2023 at 4:55pm
 
This Topic was moved here from Atheism by freediver.
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