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Reply #15 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:04am

. It's not like Shorten only got married yesterday. He has been an mp for 6 years. His mum-in-law has been gg for 5. Not sure why this is suddenly an issue for some people

If it there a Labor Government, and the GG was related to the opposition leader, would anyone expect a resignation?

Let's not forget that the GG is a largely ceremonial position, and was only ever used otherwise by CIA asset John Kerr in 1975.

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Old Codger Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 547 Melbourne. Gender:	Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott Reply #16 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:06am "I reckon John Howard would be a great GG. He's got it all - class, integrity, honour, experience." Agree! SJ
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Reply #17 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:09am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:57am:

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I reckon John Howard would be a great GG. He's got it all - class, integrity, honour, experience.

Lied about children overboard.
Lied about Iraq having WMDs.
Lied about no GST ever ever.

John the Liar at work:

If he ever took the oath of allegiance, we'd have to make sure it wasn't a 'non-core' promise. Grin

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viewpoint Gold Member Offline A joke is a very serious thing. [Winston] Posts: 2209 Gender:	Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott Reply #18 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:18am Yes JH would be a great GG.
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Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott
Reply #19 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:47am

Maqqa wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:59pm:

Magnanimous decision by Abbott (?)

NOT REALLY

Just good politics

( ... his personal minders are giving him better advice than in the past)

Any other decision would only be seen as churlish spite

Mind you, it'd be a different story were she not RETIRING in FOUR MONTHS time

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139758 Gender:	Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott Reply #20 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:00am Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:57am: I reckon John Howard would be a great GG. He's got it all - class, integrity, honour, experience. Yes, agreed. Once he's cleared his theatre commitments he may be up for the job.
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Reply #21 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:32am

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Maqqa wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:59pm:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/19372249/gg-offered-abbott-her-resignation/

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has revealed Governor-General Quentin Bryce offered to resign in anticipation of Bill Shorten's election as Labor leader.

Ms Bryce, who is the mother-in-law of Mr Shorten, wanted to avoid any perception of bias.

"I have thanked her for her magnanimity but declined to accept her resignation," Mr Abbott said in a statement on Sunday.

Instead the prime minister asked Ms Bryce to stay on until March 2014, when she is due to retire.

Ms Bryce's agreement to stay on was a measure of her personal commitment to provide continuity at a time of political turbulence, Mr Abbott said.

"She should be commended for her dedication to public service."

It was only "fit and proper" that Ms Bryce be permitted to conclude her term and be accorded the appropriate farewell that her exemplary service merited, he said.

I regard that as a huge mistake by Bryce and Abbott. Now that her son-in-law is Opposition Leader, she ought go whether Abbott wants it or not. She must go, now.

At any time, she could be faced with a Kerr/Fraser/Whitlam type issue (especially given the PUP Senate situation) and having a son-in-law in that ALP position demands that she abandon the GG post no matter what Abbott says.

if she was staying long-term I would agree but it is only a few months and there will be no DD prior to that so the question is moot. But I agree that if she were staying for years that she should resign.

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Reply #22 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:34am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:57am:

cods wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 10:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Maqqa wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:59pm:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/19372249/gg-offered-abbott-her-resignation/

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has revealed Governor-General Quentin Bryce offered to resign in anticipation of Bill Shorten's election as Labor leader.

Ms Bryce, who is the mother-in-law of Mr Shorten, wanted to avoid any perception of bias.

"I have thanked her for her magnanimity but declined to accept her resignation," Mr Abbott said in a statement on Sunday.

Instead the prime minister asked Ms Bryce to stay on until March 2014, when she is due to retire.

Ms Bryce's agreement to stay on was a measure of her personal commitment to provide continuity at a time of political turbulence, Mr Abbott said.

"She should be commended for her dedication to public service."

It was only "fit and proper" that Ms Bryce be permitted to conclude her term and be accorded the appropriate farewell that her exemplary service merited, he said.

I regard that as a huge mistake by Bryce and Abbott. Now that her son-in-law is Opposition Leader, she ought go whether Abbott wants it or not. She must go, now.

At any time, she could be faced with a Kerr/Fraser/Whitlam type issue (especially given the PUP Senate situation) and having a son-in-law in that ALP position demands that she abandon the GG post no matter what Abbott says.

hilarious... your knees must be so sore from praying the libs will fall over...

hahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

she will be gone in March.. then you can whinge about whom Tony will pick... hahahahahahahahaha

I bet piggy will expect a say in that choice as well..

Grin

I reckon John Howard would be a great GG. He's got it all - class, integrity, honour, experience.

he's been offered the job and declined. It is indicative of his character that as an ex PM he considers himself too partisan for the job.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott Reply #23 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 9:46am Proper conduct all round. Ms Bryce was correct to offer her resignation in a situation where there could be a perceived conflict. Mr Abbott was correct (and politically astute) to refuse it.
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Reply #24 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:19pm

MOTR wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:58am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Maqqa wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:59pm:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/19372249/gg-offered-abbott-her-resignation/

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has revealed Governor-General Quentin Bryce offered to resign in anticipation of Bill Shorten's election as Labor leader.

Ms Bryce, who is the mother-in-law of Mr Shorten, wanted to avoid any perception of bias.

"I have thanked her for her magnanimity but declined to accept her resignation," Mr Abbott said in a statement on Sunday.

Instead the prime minister asked Ms Bryce to stay on until March 2014, when she is due to retire.

Ms Bryce's agreement to stay on was a measure of her personal commitment to provide continuity at a time of political turbulence, Mr Abbott said.

"She should be commended for her dedication to public service."

It was only "fit and proper" that Ms Bryce be permitted to conclude her term and be accorded the appropriate farewell that her exemplary service merited, he said.

I regard that as a huge mistake by Bryce and Abbott. Now that her son-in-law is Opposition Leader, she ought go whether Abbott wants it or not. She must go, now.

At any time, she could be faced with a Kerr/Fraser/Whitlam type issue (especially given the PUP Senate situation) and having a son-in-law in that ALP position demands that she abandon the GG post no matter what Abbott says.

I can see your point, Aussie. What would your stance be if it was an elected position?

I withdraw my reference to Palmer, as he has no clout until July 1 next year.

To answer your question ~ same outcome. Elected or appointed......once the incumbent is compromised by such an obvious potential conflict of interest, they must go, and she should go (with a pat on the back for a job jolly well done, wot) as a matter of principle and to maintain the ultimate integrity the Office demands.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59374 Here Gender:	Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott Reply #25 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:26pm You need to make a big deal about anything that Abbott gets right - now we are up to 1.
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Reply #26 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

You need to make a big deal about anything that Abbott gets right - now we are up to 1.

Abbott got it wrong. He should have accepted, but he did not have the political balls for that.

The current GG ought go. That is the only way a potential smear on the position can be avoided.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott Reply #27 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:50pm It is true that Maqqa's love for Tony Abbot is as endless as the summer skys and touching that Maqqa aches to have Tony Abbotts child but its just a little freaky and unsettling that he feels the need to share this on public message boards.
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Reply #28 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:57pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

You need to make a big deal about anything that Abbott gets right - now we are up to 1.

Abbott got it wrong. He should have accepted, but he did not have the political balls for that.

The current GG ought go. That is the only way a potential smear on the position can be avoided.

Nothing the GG does has anything to do with the opposition short of a DD or other extreme situation which virtually can not happen during the last 5 months of her term.

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Reply #29 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:09pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

You need to make a big deal about anything that Abbott gets right - now we are up to 1.

Abbott got it wrong. He should have accepted, but he did not have the political balls for that.

The current GG ought go. That is the only way a potential smear on the position can be avoided.

Nothing the GG does has anything to do with the opposition short of a DD or other extreme situation which virtually can not happen during the last 5 months of her term.

My bet is that there will be no DD.....and one of the reasons (see the Thread about Mandates) is that Abbott declined her offer to resign. But, I have no reliable crystal ball, and neither does she. She could easily have to confront a DD precipice involving the political conduct of her son-in-law.

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