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Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott
Reply #30 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 7:35pm

a. A G-G should be above even the suspicion of a whiff of potential corruption.

b. Perhaps the best solution is to do away with the useless office of G-G with its lovely perks and huge staff, and stop having it as just another reward to some party sycophant.

c. I said that Julia Gillard should have stepped down in 2010 when the Australian people said NO - to both sides.

HONOUR dictates that any position potentially compromised requires that the incumbent STAND DOWN immediately and without discussion or offering bullshit 'resignations'.

Honourable Seppuku 'em high! Grin

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Reply #32 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:07pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

You need to make a big deal about anything that Abbott gets right - now we are up to 1.

Abbott got it wrong. He should have accepted, but he did not have the political balls for that.

The current GG ought go. That is the only way a potential smear on the position can be avoided.

Nothing the GG does has anything to do with the opposition short of a DD or other extreme situation which virtually can not happen during the last 5 months of her term.

My bet is that there will be no DD.....and one of the reasons (see the Thread about Mandates) is that Abbott declined her offer to resign. But, I have no reliable crystal ball, and neither does she. She could easily have to confront a DD precipice involving the political conduct of her son-in-law.

It would be almost impossible to drive a DD process in 5 months and it would be a significant breach of convention to try and do so before elected senators had a chance to sit on the legislation.

Then there is the fact that a DD on the carbon price would be very lucky to meet the requirement of impacting the governments ability to govern.

Given that Tony has taken little over a week to be on the nose with the electorate with broken promises, hiding boats and breaking foreign Laws he would be aware that a DD would cost him a heap of seats.

Bottom line is that talk of a DD and removing a carbon price were both about votes - Abbott knows that the Carbon price is a much better option than the one he is pushing. There is little doubt that he would like to be blocked on removing the carbon price.

Abbott knows that he can not afford to remove it.

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Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott
Reply #33 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:15pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

MOTR wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 3:58am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Maqqa wrote on Oct 13^th, 2013 at 8:59pm:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/19372249/gg-offered-abbott-her-resignation/

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has revealed Governor-General Quentin Bryce offered to resign in anticipation of Bill Shorten's election as Labor leader.

Ms Bryce, who is the mother-in-law of Mr Shorten, wanted to avoid any perception of bias.

"I have thanked her for her magnanimity but declined to accept her resignation," Mr Abbott said in a statement on Sunday.

Instead the prime minister asked Ms Bryce to stay on until March 2014, when she is due to retire.

Ms Bryce's agreement to stay on was a measure of her personal commitment to provide continuity at a time of political turbulence, Mr Abbott said.

"She should be commended for her dedication to public service."

It was only "fit and proper" that Ms Bryce be permitted to conclude her term and be accorded the appropriate farewell that her exemplary service merited, he said.

I regard that as a huge mistake by Bryce and Abbott. Now that her son-in-law is Opposition Leader, she ought go whether Abbott wants it or not. She must go, now.

At any time, she could be faced with a Kerr/Fraser/Whitlam type issue (especially given the PUP Senate situation) and having a son-in-law in that ALP position demands that she abandon the GG post no matter what Abbott says.

I can see your point, Aussie. What would your stance be if it was an elected position?

I withdraw my reference to Palmer, as he has no clout until July 1 next year.

To answer your question ~ same outcome. Elected or appointed......once the incumbent is compromised by such an obvious potential conflict of interest, they must go, and she should go (with a pat on the back for a job jolly well done, wot) as a matter of principle and to maintain the ultimate integrity the Office demands.

I agree, Aussie. Just another example of Abbott doing what appears politically right rather than accepting what is right in principle.

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True Blue... Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3748 Gender:	Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott Reply #34 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:22pm General Cosgrove will be the next Governor General...
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38864 Gender:	Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott Reply #35 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:27pm True Blue... wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:22pm: General Cosgrove will be the next Governor General... Gee, I wonder if you have come to that conclusion because it has been all over the MSM, huh? Just askin' is all.
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Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott
Reply #36 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:29pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

True Blue... wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:

General Cosgrove will be the next Governor General...

Gee, I wonder if you have come to that conclusion because it has been all over the MSM, huh? Just askin' is all.

Roll Eyes

whats MSM?

maybe you should tell all the people that are saying JH will be GG Roll Eyes

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott Reply #37 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:31pm Time to let bygones be bygones and appoint Malcolm Fraser as GG.
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True Blue... Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3748 Gender:	Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott Reply #38 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:33pm MOTR wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:31pm: Time to let bygones be bygones and appoint Malcolm Fraser as GG. that guy has lost his marbles and doesn't know when to keep his trap shut... and with those credentials, he should join the Labor/Green coalition...
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Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott
Reply #39 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:36pm

True Blue... wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

True Blue... wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:

General Cosgrove will be the next Governor General...

Gee, I wonder if you have come to that conclusion because it has been all over the MSM, huh? Just askin' is all.

Roll Eyes

whats MSM?

http://www.msmaustralia.com.au/ Undecided

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Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott
Reply #40 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

True Blue... wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

True Blue... wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:22pm:

General Cosgrove will be the next Governor General...

Gee, I wonder if you have come to that conclusion because it has been all over the MSM, huh? Just askin' is all.

Roll Eyes

whats MSM?

http://www.msmaustralia.com.au/ Undecided

MSM and Animals

MSM also works extremely well for Animals. Cats, Dogs, Horses etc. Shocked

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85429 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott Reply #41 - Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:51pm Abolish the office of governor general entirely - this is the 21st Century here not some backward colonial outpost ruled by a piss poor political structure.... oh.. sorry.. wrong country....... slinks away KEEP the governor general then.....WGAF....
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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Magnanimous decision by Abbott Reply #42 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 1:00am MOTR wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 8:31pm: Time to let bygones be bygones and appoint Malcolm Fraser as GG. Jon Hewson would be an even better choice. It would be great to see him roll up in his Ferrari.
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