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Reply #15 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:35am

How anyone can not be at least a little sceptical defies belief, then again a billion people think there is an allah on the basis of nothing so I guess anythings possible, humans are funny, I reckon that if the computer chips in my brain were rearranged a little differently as I was developing in the womb I could very well be here calling you all deniers instead, just the luck of the draw I guess Grin

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation Reply #16 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:51am Rider wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 6:46am: I'll look forward to the attacks on the author or host blog ... When you've already pointed out your risible source, is there any need?
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation Reply #17 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:53am Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:35am: How anyone can not be at least a little sceptical defies belief... Scepticism involves making a genuine attempt to consider all of the evidence. You're no sceptic.
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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #18 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:56am

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:53am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:35am:

How anyone can not be at least a little sceptical defies belief...

Scepticism involves making a genuine attempt to consider all of the evidence. You're no sceptic.

Unfortunately for you there is more evidence to disprove AGW than prove it, please bear in mind that x amount of people saying it is so because we said so does not count as evidence when it comes to science, not that you would ever understand that concept. Grin

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #19 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:14am

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That Scientific Global Warming Consensus…Not! – Forbes

By Larry Bell

So where did that famous “consensus” claim that “98% of all scientists believe in global warming” come from?

It originated from an endlessly reported 2009 American Geophysical Union (AGU) survey consisting of an intentionally brief two-minute, two question online survey sent to 10,257 earth scientists by two researchers at the University of Illinois.

Of the about 3.000 who responded, 82% answered “yes” to the second question, which like the first, most people I know would also have agreed with.

Then of those, only a small subset, just 77 who had been successful in getting more than half of their papers recently accepted by peer-reviewed climate science journals, were considered in their survey statistic.

That “98% all scientists” referred to a laughably puny number of 75 of those 77 who answered “yes”.

That anything-but-scientific survey asked two questions.

The first:

“When compared with pre-1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?”

Few would be expected to dispute this…the planet began thawing out of the “Little Ice Age” in the middle 19th century, predating the Industrial Revolution. (That was the coldest period since the last real Ice Age ended roughly 10,000 years ago.)

The second question asked:

“Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”

So what constitutes “significant”? Does “changing” include both cooling and warming… and for both “better” and “worse”? And which contributions…does this include land use changes, such as agriculture and deforestation?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/07/17/that-scientific-global-warming-...

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation Reply #20 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:01am Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:56am: ... there is more evidence to disprove AGW than prove it ... Yet another assertion that you have no hope of substantiating.
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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #21 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:08am

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:01am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

... there is more evidence to disprove AGW than prove it ...

Yet another assertion that you have no hope of substantiating.

Hey Innocent_bystander

I wouldn't bother with this lazy dude.

He's a one liner who cant be bothered have a debate.

Don't waste your time...... Cool

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #22 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:18am

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

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That Scientific Global Warming Consensus…Not! – Forbes

By Larry Bell
...

Quote:

Larry Bell

Credentials

Professor of Architecture at the University of Houston.
AIAA, ASCE. Registered Architect and urban planner.
Master of Fine Arts, University of Illinois.
Bachelor of Architecture, University of Illinois,

Background

Larry Bell is a professor of architecture and space architecture at the University of Houston. He is the founder and director of the Sasakawa International Center for Space Architecture (SICSA). According to his profile at climateofcorruption.com, Bell also co-founded several high-tech companies. Bell has not published any articles in peer-reviewed journals on the subject of climate.

He is best known as the author of Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind the Global Warming Hoax. In an Accuracy in Media interview, Bell described how he started on his book shortly after meeting Fred Singer. His book talks about how "politics is responsible for the global warming hoax."

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May 21 - 23, 2012

Larry Bell was a speaker at the Heartland Institute's 7th International Conference on Climate Change (ICCC7).

DeSmogBlog researched the co-sponsors behind Heartland's ICCC7 and found that they had collectively received over $67 million from ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers and the conservative Scaife family foundations.

Heartland's president Joe Bast revealed at the end of the conference that the Institute has no plans for future ICCCs. This could be in part due to the defections of corporate sponsors following Heartland's unsuccessful Unabomber billboard campaign and the unintended release of their confidential documents.

June 30-July 1, 2011

Bell was a speaker at the Heartland Institute's Sixth International Conference on Climate Change. [7]

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Monday, April 30, 2012
Larry Bell is a Liar!
I don't subscribe to antagonistic rhetoric, but the facts are the facts and Larry Bell is a liar and this needs to be said. He knows where to find me if he thinks I'm committing libel.

For those of you that aren't familiar with this person, Larry Bell is an architecture professor who has decided he is an expert in climate science and writes global warming denial articles for Forbes magazine. Forbes is a little strange in that I have seen both very good, scientific articles about global warming and I have also seen articles written by the deniers, such as Larry Bell. I guess they are willing to go both ways.

Typically, Bell's articles are merely ridiculous and easily debunked. ...

Hardly an impartial or credible source.

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #24 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:21am

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Quote:

That Scientific Global Warming Consensus…Not! – Forbes

By Larry Bell
...

Quote:

Larry Bell

Credentials

Professor of Architecture at the University of Houston.
AIAA, ASCE. Registered Architect and urban planner.
Master of Fine Arts, University of Illinois.
Bachelor of Architecture, University of Illinois,

Background

Larry Bell is a professor of architecture and space architecture at the University of Houston. He is the founder and director of the Sasakawa International Center for Space Architecture (SICSA). According to his profile at climateofcorruption.com, Bell also co-founded several high-tech companies. Bell has not published any articles in peer-reviewed journals on the subject of climate.

He is best known as the author of Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind the Global Warming Hoax. In an Accuracy in Media interview, Bell described how he started on his book shortly after meeting Fred Singer. His book talks about how "politics is responsible for the global warming hoax."

Key Deeds

May 21 - 23, 2012

Larry Bell was a speaker at the Heartland Institute's 7th International Conference on Climate Change (ICCC7).

DeSmogBlog researched the co-sponsors behind Heartland's ICCC7 and found that they had collectively received over $67 million from ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers and the conservative Scaife family foundations.

Heartland's president Joe Bast revealed at the end of the conference that the Institute has no plans for future ICCCs. This could be in part due to the defections of corporate sponsors following Heartland's unsuccessful Unabomber billboard campaign and the unintended release of their confidential documents.

June 30-July 1, 2011

Bell was a speaker at the Heartland Institute's Sixth International Conference on Climate Change. [7]

Quote:

Monday, April 30, 2012
Larry Bell is a Liar!
I don't subscribe to antagonistic rhetoric, but the facts are the facts and Larry Bell is a liar and this needs to be said. He knows where to find me if he thinks I'm committing libel.

For those of you that aren't familiar with this person, Larry Bell is an architecture professor who has decided he is an expert in climate science and writes global warming denial articles for Forbes magazine. Forbes is a little strange in that I have seen both very good, scientific articles about global warming and I have also seen articles written by the deniers, such as Larry Bell. I guess they are willing to go both ways.

Typically, Bell's articles are merely ridiculous and easily debunked. ...

Hardly an impartial or credible source.

Are you saying that this isn't how this AGW consensus was first formed.....???????

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #25 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:25am

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

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He's a one liner who cant be bothered have a debate.
...

Is your ignorant proselytising debate?

Hey i'm just stating the facts.....???

Isn't science about scrutinising a hypothesis to arrive at a scientific theory backed up by scientific laws.....????

The alarmists should welcome the scrutiny of the sceptics.

If their hypothesis is true there can be no denying it...!!!

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #26 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:34am

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:21am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Quote:

That Scientific Global Warming Consensus…Not! – Forbes

By Larry Bell
...

Quote:

Larry Bell

Credentials

Professor of Architecture at the University of Houston.
AIAA, ASCE. Registered Architect and urban planner.
Master of Fine Arts, University of Illinois.
Bachelor of Architecture, University of Illinois,

Background

Larry Bell is a professor of architecture and space architecture at the University of Houston. He is the founder and director of the Sasakawa International Center for Space Architecture (SICSA). According to his profile at climateofcorruption.com, Bell also co-founded several high-tech companies. Bell has not published any articles in peer-reviewed journals on the subject of climate.

He is best known as the author of Climate of Corruption: Politics and Power Behind the Global Warming Hoax. In an Accuracy in Media interview, Bell described how he started on his book shortly after meeting Fred Singer. His book talks about how "politics is responsible for the global warming hoax."

Key Deeds

May 21 - 23, 2012

Larry Bell was a speaker at the Heartland Institute's 7th International Conference on Climate Change (ICCC7).

DeSmogBlog researched the co-sponsors behind Heartland's ICCC7 and found that they had collectively received over $67 million from ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers and the conservative Scaife family foundations.

Heartland's president Joe Bast revealed at the end of the conference that the Institute has no plans for future ICCCs. This could be in part due to the defections of corporate sponsors following Heartland's unsuccessful Unabomber billboard campaign and the unintended release of their confidential documents.

June 30-July 1, 2011

Bell was a speaker at the Heartland Institute's Sixth International Conference on Climate Change. [7]

Quote:

Monday, April 30, 2012
Larry Bell is a Liar!
I don't subscribe to antagonistic rhetoric, but the facts are the facts and Larry Bell is a liar and this needs to be said. He knows where to find me if he thinks I'm committing libel.

For those of you that aren't familiar with this person, Larry Bell is an architecture professor who has decided he is an expert in climate science and writes global warming denial articles for Forbes magazine. Forbes is a little strange in that I have seen both very good, scientific articles about global warming and I have also seen articles written by the deniers, such as Larry Bell. I guess they are willing to go both ways.

Typically, Bell's articles are merely ridiculous and easily debunked. ...

Hardly an impartial or credible source.

Are you saying that this isn't how this AGW consensus was first formed.....???????

Do you have credible substantiation?

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #27 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:35am

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:25am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

Ajax wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

...
He's a one liner who cant be bothered have a debate.
...

Is your ignorant proselytising debate?

Hey i'm just stating the facts.....???
...

If so, then you'll be able to substantiate what you're "just stating".

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #28 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:03am

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:35am:

How anyone can not be at least a little sceptical defies belief ...

It does, doesn't it?

These alarmists claim that AGW is "an undeniable fact of nature".

Can you think of a more closed-minded and arrogant group than this mob?

These are the sort of people who believe everything they see on ACA and 60 Minutes. Let's just hope their kids get a better education, and have more inquiring minds as a result.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation Reply #29 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:06am greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:03am: ... These alarmists claim that AGW is "an undeniable fact of nature". ... Where have I claimed that? All you need to do is link to it.
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