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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139596 Gender:	Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation Reply #30 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:11am # wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:06am: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:03am: ... These alarmists claim that AGW is "an undeniable fact of nature". ... Where have I claimed that? All you need to do is link to it. No backing away from it now, old boy. The damage is done.
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Reply #31 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:22am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 8:35am:

How anyone can not be at least a little sceptical defies belief ...

It does, doesn't it?

These alarmists claim that AGW is "an undeniable fact of nature".

Can you think of a more closed-minded and arrogant group than this mob?

These are the sort of people who believe everything they see on ACA and 60 Minutes. Let's just hope their kids get a better education, and have more inquiring minds as a result.

The lack of scepticism is an indication of a closed mind. the better scientists are always sceptical of their results. the less qualified join the IPCC and write chapters on subjects they are scarcely qualified for predicting the end of the world while it continues to go on its way merrily with a MASSIVE 0.12 degree warming in 20 years and none for the last 17.

with the amount of predictive failure, a lack of scepticism is frankly enough to warrant totally ignoring that person.

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Reply #32 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

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These alarmists claim that AGW is "an undeniable fact of nature".
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Where have I claimed that? All you need to do is link to it.

No backing away from it now, old boy.
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So you can't substantiate. Lying again, young troll.

Contemplating your original assertion, you imply that all "alarmists" (by which I assume you mean anyone who accepts the opinion of the vast majority of the best qualified on global warming): Quote:

claim that AGW is "an undeniable fact of nature".

That puts you in the position of having to substantiate you assertion for everyone on this board who is not, like yourself, a denialist.

Do you get bulk discounts on lies?

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Reply #33 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:29pm

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

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These alarmists claim that AGW is "an undeniable fact of nature".
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Where have I claimed that? All you need to do is link to it.

No backing away from it now, old boy.
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So you can't substantiate. Lying again, young troll.

Contemplating your original assertion, you imply that all "alarmists" (by which I assume you mean anyone who accepts the opinion of the vast majority of the best qualified on global warming): Quote:

claim that AGW is "an undeniable fact of nature".

That puts you in the position of having to substantiate you assertion for everyone on this board who is not, like yourself, a denialist.

Do you get bulk discounts on lies?

Umm no 'alarmists' are those who absolutely believe (and won't accept criticism of) one theory of the reasons for increasing global temperatures. And who think the world's ending because of that particular theory.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #34 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:38pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

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These alarmists claim that AGW is "an undeniable fact of nature".
...

Where have I claimed that? All you need to do is link to it.

No backing away from it now, old boy.
...

So you can't substantiate. Lying again, young troll.

Contemplating your original assertion, you imply that all "alarmists" (by which I assume you mean anyone who accepts the opinion of the vast majority of the best qualified on global warming): Quote:

claim that AGW is "an undeniable fact of nature".

That puts you in the position of having to substantiate you assertion for everyone on this board who is not, like yourself, a denialist.

Do you get bulk discounts on lies?

Umm no 'alarmists' are those who absolutely believe (and won't accept criticism of) one theory of the reasons for increasing global temperatures. And who think the world's ending because of that particular theory.

I believe there's a majority view among the best qualified. I don't believe I know better than them.

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Reply #35 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:50pm

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

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These alarmists claim that AGW is "an undeniable fact of nature".
...

Where have I claimed that? All you need to do is link to it.

No backing away from it now, old boy.
...

So you can't substantiate. Lying again, young troll.

Contemplating your original assertion, you imply that all "alarmists" (by which I assume you mean anyone who accepts the opinion of the vast majority of the best qualified on global warming): Quote:

claim that AGW is "an undeniable fact of nature".

That puts you in the position of having to substantiate you assertion for everyone on this board who is not, like yourself, a denialist.

Do you get bulk discounts on lies?

Umm no 'alarmists' are those who absolutely believe (and won't accept criticism of) one theory of the reasons for increasing global temperatures. And who think the world's ending because of that particular theory.

I believe there's a majority view among the best qualified. I don't believe I know better than them.

Well unfortunately it's not 'legitimate' majority view...it's based (mostly) on getting funding. And you probably DO believe that you are 'better' than them, because real scientists are never 100% sure of anything...but you seem to be 110% sure.

Sadly, there is always, in every generation, a belief that the world's going to end for whatever reason, the AGW idea is just the latest version of the apocalyptic world view

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation Reply #36 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:12pm MOTR wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 4:26am: Why climate change contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation Anyone who tells you that he knows how the global climate actually works is lying. Scientific fact.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139596 Gender:	Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation Reply #37 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:14pm Soren wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:12pm: MOTR wrote on Oct 14^th, 2013 at 4:26am: Why climate change contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation Anyone who tells you that he knows how the global climate actually works is lying. Well, this hurts but, here goes: I agree with Soren.
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Winston Smith Gold Member Offline Ministry of Truth Posts: 1549 Oceania Gender:	Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation Reply #38 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:17pm While I don't agree we can necessarily do anything about climate change, those who pursue denial as an agenda are degenerates and should be liquidated as members of a dangerous cult.
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Reply #39 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:21pm

Winston Smith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

While I don't agree we can necessarily do anything about climate change, those who pursue denial as an agenda are degenerates and should be liquidated as members of a dangerous cult.

Awesome!, you would have been handy at Auschwitz, thats the trouble with clowns like you, you were born way too late and missed the show Grin

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation Reply #40 - Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:24pm Dana Nuccitelli bwhhaaaa. He is funded by big oil man. He must be one of those trying to fry your brain, but on the opposite side man. Cooool.
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Reply #41 - Oct 16^th, 2013 at 7:22pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

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I believe there's a majority view among the best qualified. I don't believe I know better than them.

Well unfortunately it's not 'legitimate' majority view...it's based (mostly) on getting funding.

A belief which you have no hope of substantiating.
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

And you probably DO believe that you are 'better' than them, because real scientists are never 100% sure of anything...but you seem to be 110% sure.
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Of what?

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Reply #42 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:35am

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

I believe there's a majority view among the best qualified. I don't believe I know better than them.

Have a look into science history....!!!

How many times have the majority of scientists been wrong.....???????

The foundation of anthropogenic global warming rests on Computer Circulation models.

What's the chance........??????

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Reply #43 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 2:11pm

# wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

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I believe there's a majority view among the best qualified. I don't believe I know better than them.

Well unfortunately it's not 'legitimate' majority view...it's based (mostly) on getting funding.

A belief which you have no hope of substantiating.
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

And you probably DO believe that you are 'better' than them, because real scientists are never 100% sure of anything...but you seem to be 110% sure.
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Of what?

Of course I can substantiate my statement.
They (the scientists) are research scientists, which means they get paid to do their research, in the form of grants or other forms of funding (by universities, governments or private individuals/companies). So if the funding is offered for study into the 'affects of human action on climate change' (for example) a scientist isn't gonig to get the funding, if his/her results or his/her opinion is that humans have NO affect on climate change.

As for the second question, no climate scientist has yet to say for absolutely certain, that humans are causing AGW, the best they'll state is '95% sure'. Whereas you seem to be 110% certain that mankind is the cause of AGW (or ACC).

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #44 - Oct 17^th, 2013 at 8:41pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 7:17pm:

While I don't agree we can necessarily do anything about climate change, those who pursue denial as an agenda are degenerates and should be liquidated as members of a dangerous cult.

Awesome!, you would have been handy at Auschwitz, thats the trouble with clowns like you, you were born way too late and missed the show Grin

Except what the Nazi's did to the Jews at Auschwitz was irrational and a crime against humanity.

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