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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #60 - Oct 20^th, 2013 at 9:33pm

# wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:

# wrote on Oct 19^th, 2013 at 2:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

# wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

# wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

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I believe there's a majority view among the best qualified. I don't believe I know better than them.

Well unfortunately it's not 'legitimate' majority view...it's based (mostly) on getting funding.

A belief which you have no hope of substantiating.
gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 3:50pm:

And you probably DO believe that you are 'better' than them, because real scientists are never 100% sure of anything...but you seem to be 110% sure.
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Of what?

Of course I can substantiate my statement.
They (the scientists) are research scientists, which means they get paid to do their research, in the form of grants or other forms of funding (by universities, governments or private individuals/companies). So if the funding is offered for study into the 'affects of human action on climate change' (for example) a scientist isn't gonig to get the funding, if his/her results or his/her opinion is that humans have NO affect on climate change.

So the tiny minority who produce results favoured by (for example) the fossil fuel industry don't get funding?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

As for the second question, no climate scientist has yet to say for absolutely certain, that humans are causing AGW, the best they'll state is '95% sure'. Whereas you seem to be 110% certain that mankind is the cause of AGW (or ACC).

Actually, they say they're 95 to 100% certain, which is about as certain as science gets.

I don't claim to be qualified to judge the science at all, let alone "to be 110% certain", one way or another. I am reasonably confident, however, that the vast majority of the best qualified are as certain as possible that humanity is substantially responsible for global warming.

As a true sceptic, I'm not fool enough to say otherwise.

Umm you do know that the 'fossil fuel industry' doesn't really run around, throwing huge amounts of money at scientists to intimidate them into selling out, don't you?? ...

I presume you're implying that someone does?

In brief, you assert much and substantiate nothing.

No, I'm implying that NO ONE does. Basically, the whole 'skeptics in the pay of...' concept is a fantasy, made up as a way to explain why some people don't accept the theory of AGW (rather than admit to the real reason, that there are a number of holes in the AGW argument.)

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation Reply #61 - Oct 20^th, 2013 at 9:43pm the basis for the AGW denialist religious doctrine is that CO2 is NOT a greenhouse gas the degree of delusional lunacy from this crack pot cultist freak religion is breath taking to say the least I hope modern medicine and cranial surgeons discover a suitable therapy or cure soon
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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #63 - Oct 20^th, 2013 at 9:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 9:43pm:

the basis for the AGW denialist religious doctrine is that CO2 is NOT a greenhouse gas

I've never heard anyone say that.

Have you got crickets in your ears, Chimp?

there can be NO other conclusion drawn based upon the evidence presented by these priests of AGW denialism

EVery single piece of data and rationale presented has either been misinterpreted data or straight out deceptions.

I can only sit here and listen to the

*crickets*

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #65 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 1:03am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 9:43pm:

the basis for the AGW denialist religious doctrine is that CO2 is NOT a greenhouse gas

the degree of delusional lunacy from this crack pot cultist freak religion is breath taking to say the least

I hope modern medicine and cranial surgeons discover a suitable therapy or cure soon

No actually it isn't.
The basis is whether or not the temperature is AFFECT by greenhouse gases, such as Co2.

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #66 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 10:00am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 9:52pm:

there can be NO other conclusion drawn based upon the evidence presented by these priests of AGW denialism

EVery single piece of data and rationale presented has either been misinterpreted data or straight out deceptions.

I can only sit here and listen to the

*crickets*

Sorry Rabi but you have failed to make any statements of consequence in the AGW debate.

You continually fabricate these nonsensical statements that go of on a tangent instead of addressing the issue at hand.

Typical of all anthropogenic global warming high priests....!!!

Why don't you start debating whatever the subject matter might be instead of flying out on a tangent.

Is it because you haven't got the fire power oh exuberant one......?????

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Reply #67 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 10:32am

I don't owe anyone anything.
I do look at the claims...unselectively....and see what the evidence supports...and currently there isn't even a case to address...there's a cluster of anecdotes and assertions where AGW zealots claim scientific certainty in a myopic or religious fundamentalist approach to things like evidence, cause and effect.

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #68 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 11:38am

In any case if this is the standard we're supposed to aspire to from your side....

Phil Willis MP, Committee Chair, said this of Professor Phil Jones of the Climate Research Unit (CRU):

"...Professor Jones’s refusal to share raw data and computer codes, the Committee considers that his actions were in line with common practice in the climate science community..."

Along with refusal of FOI requests and destruction of evidence.

Standard of integrity....zero!

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #69 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 11:54am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 1:03am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 20^th, 2013 at 9:43pm:

the basis for the AGW denialist religious doctrine is that CO2 is NOT a greenhouse gas

the degree of delusional lunacy from this crack pot cultist freak religion is breath taking to say the least

I hope modern medicine and cranial surgeons discover a suitable therapy or cure soon

No actually it isn't.
The basis is whether or not the temperature is AFFECT by greenhouse gases, such as Co2.

I see

So now you are claiming that there is DOUBT as to whether temperature can be changed by the presence or increase in greenhouse gases in the earths atmosphere?/

best if you don't post any of your religious dogma - it only gets you into deeper and deeper trouble.

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #70 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:13pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 11:54am:

[quote author=gizmo_2655 link=1381688819/65#65 date=1382281410]

I see

So now you are claiming that there is DOUBT as to whether temperature can be changed by the presence or increase in greenhouse gases in the earths atmosphere?/

In a test tube no, when it comes to the Earth's atmosphere, definetly.

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best if you don't post any of your religious dogma - it only gets you into deeper and deeper trouble.

That statement is about you....!!!...so follow your own advice please........!!!!

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #71 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:19pm

Ajax wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:13pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 11:54am:

[quote author=gizmo_2655 link=1381688819/65#65 date=1382281410]

I see

So now you are claiming that there is DOUBT as to whether temperature can be changed by the presence or increase in greenhouse gases in the earths atmosphere?/

In a test tube no, when it comes to the Earth's atmosphere, definetly.

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best if you don't post any of your religious dogma - it only gets you into deeper and deeper trouble.

That statement is about you....!!!...so follow your own advice please........!!!!

list the models that predict cooling or static global temperature as CO2 levels rise

good luck

you have until the end of 2019

*crickets*

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #72 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:24pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:19pm:

list the models that predict cooling or static global temperature as CO2 levels rise

good luck

you have until the end of 2019

*crickets*

I haven't heard of any such models, so i'm afraid I can't list them.....!!!!

What I can tell you is the IPCC's model projections for the future (1990 to present) where way of and didn't forecast the temperature flat lining while more and more manmade CO2 emissions kept going into the atmosphere.

So what I want to tell you again for the xth time is the IPCC models are wrong therefore how can we have any faith in the future projections of the earths weather and what it will do.

According to the IPCC projections.

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #73 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:33pm

Ajax wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:24pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:19pm:

list the models that predict cooling or static global temperature as CO2 levels rise

good luck

you have until the end of 2019

*crickets*

I haven't heard of any such models, so i'm afraid I can't list them.....!!!!

What I can tell you is the IPCC's model projections for the future (1990 to present) where way of and didn't forecast the temperature flat lining while more and more manmade CO2 emissions kept going into the atmosphere.

So what I want to tell you again for the xth time is the IPCC models are wrong therefore how can we have any faith in the future projections of the earths weather and what it will do.

According to the IPCC projections.

where are the cooling models?

cant you find any BS pseudo religious science to derive a crack pot cooling model?

keep trying mr ajax

you have until the end of 2019

*crickets*

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Re: AGW contrarians owe us a (scientific) explanation
Reply #74 - Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:59pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2013 at 12:33pm:

where are the cooling models?

cant you find any BS pseudo religious science to derive a crack pot cooling model?

keep trying mr ajax

you have until the end of 2019

*crickets*

I think you have lost it my friend.................!!!!

I don't wont to be a bully, so I will let your crazy remarks evaporate into thin air..... Cheesy

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