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Reply #15 - Oct 20th, 2013 at 1:32am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 1:34pm:
Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:44pm:
Got a link to a YT edit of 'the full, unedited version of the press conference showed one of the leaders saying of the placards "we condemn it, uncategorically" - and expressed a wish that the culprits be dealt with harshly and swiftly by the authorities' ?


Here, you can take a step down memory lane and peruse the entire thread:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1367379581/0

It is a brilliant case study in confused bigotry. You started out with the message that muslims were being deliberately vague about their condemnation, but when I proved to you (the unedited video) that their condemnation was as specific as you can get, you launched your standard tirade about muslims can't be trusted and google taqiyya yada yada yada.It was quite embarassing watching you fall apart like that - going from a thread dedicated to the importance of what muslims say and how they say it, to the end of the thread where you are openly stating that it doesn't matter at all what muslims say, and in your words is "totally irrelevant"  Grin Grin.






gandalf,

This is the link which you provided;

Quote:
The full context of that statement is in this video:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/its-our-shortcoming-we-have-not-really-engaged-with-these-individuals-20120918-264uf.html



gandalf,

I load the page, but the video [portion] does not play.

The link page is html format, and there is no link to a video format file.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Allah granted exclusivity
Reply #16 - Oct 20th, 2013 at 1:58am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 19th, 2013 at 1:34pm:
Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:44pm:
The killing of moslem children within the UK moslem community appears to be 'out of control'.

Google;
muslim honour killings uk

There are numerous examples cited.


"numerous examples" eh.

The BBC cites UK authorities as saying
there are around a dozen cases per year in the asian community
.

There are around 2.7 million muslims in the UK. Does that qualify as "out of control" or even "common"?




gandalf,


You claim that there are reportedly [BBC] only around a dozen 'honour killing' cases per year, in the UK, eh ?

I wonder where you came across that info, gandalf ?


Quote:

United Kingdom
Every year in the United Kingdom (UK), officials estimate that at least a dozen women are victims of honor killings, almost exclusively within Asian and Middle Eastern families.[60]

Often cases cannot be resolved due to the unwillingness of family, relatives and communities to testify.

A 2006 BBC poll for the Asian network in the UK found that one in ten of the 500 young Asians polled said that they could condone the killing of someone who dishonored their family.[61]

In the UK, in December 2005, Nazir Afzal, Director, west London, of Britain's Crown Prosecution Service, stated that the United Kingdom has seen "at least a dozen honour killings" between 2004 and 2005.[62] While precise figures do not exist for the perpetrators' cultural backgrounds, Diana Nammi of the UK's Iranian and Kurdish Women's Rights Organisation is reported to have said: "about two-thirds are Muslim. Yet they can also be Hindu and Sikh."[63]

In 2010, Britain saw a 47% rise of honor-related crimes. Data from police agencies in the UK report 2283 cases in 2010, and an estimated of 500 more from jurisdictions that did not provide reports. These "honor-related crimes" also include house arrests and other parental punishments.[64] Most of the attacks were conducted in cities that had high immigrant populations.[65]

Another well-known case was Heshu Yones, stabbed to death by her Kurdish father in London in 2002 when her family heard a love song dedicated to her and suspected she had a boyfriend.[66] Other examples include the killing of Tulay Goren, a Kurdish Shia Muslim girl who immigrated with her family from Turkey,[67] and Samaira Nazir (Pakistani Muslim).[67]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#United_Kingdom








Google;
UK authorities, how many honour killing cases per year


Quote:
‘Honour’-killing in the UK
2012-08-13
....The police in the UK are now more receptive to calls for help, and more cases of ‘honour’-related violence are being prosecuted. Last year, 234 cases were taken to court, and half of them resulted in a ‘guilty’ verdict. In this period, all 39 police forces in the country reported nearly 3,000 cases.

Clearly, these numbers do not represent the full extent of these vicious crimes as many children remain silent in the face of abuse from parents and other older relatives.



http://dawn.com/news/741811/honour-killing-in-the-uk


Wow, gandalf !!!!

In 2011, nearly 3,000 cases of ‘honour’-related violence were reported in the UK.

Not "around a dozen cases per year" then ?

And those 3,000 cases of ‘honour’-related violence, in the UK, were reported, within a climate of abuse, intimidation and threats of violence coming from their community.     [COMMENT; So i wonder how many cases there ACTUALLY are per year ? i.e. How many incidents would be reported, if there were no intimidation and threats, for teh victim to remain silent!]

Which community ?

Oh, it is 'the' 'asian community'.

You mean, the lying, deceitful, moslem community ?

A community of people [in the UK] who demonstrably, will use lies, misinformation, intimidation, and threats of violence, to hide their stinking 'beautiful' ISLAMIC culture - from the broader UK community ?iThis ---> is how the moslem community [often/always] seek to portray their religion [to those who are outside of their own 'camp'];

IMAGE....
...
A moslem advertising campaign [2007] in the UK.
Which promotes British moslems as normal, integrated citizens, who reject all forms of extremism.
"PROUD TO BE A.....MOSLEM"

AND BY THE WAY, YOU 'FILTHY', 'LYING' UK KUFFAR, MUST PERMIT US UK MOSLEMS TO MURDER OUR APOSTATE CHILDREN


It just makes you proud, doesn't it!



AGAIN;
In 2011, nearly 3,000 cases of ‘honour’-related violence [incidents which the UK moslem community seeks to conceal] were reported in the UK.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Allah granted exclusivity
Reply #17 - Oct 21st, 2013 at 3:20pm
 
Yadda wrote on Oct 20th, 2013 at 1:58am:
You claim that there are reportedly [BBC] only around a dozen 'honour killing' cases per year, in the UK, eh ?


Nothing you posted contradicts this.

Yadda wrote on Oct 20th, 2013 at 1:58am:
In 2011, nearly 3,000 cases of ‘honour’-related violence were reported in the UK.

Not "around a dozen cases per year" then ?


violence /= killing

So 3000 "cases" (allegedly, no source is provided). Is that "common"? On what criteria do you consider it "common"?

What is the comparative rate in the non-muslim community? How many abuse "cases" of children/wives getting assaulted by their drunk, violent husband, father, step-father? I'll go out on a limb and say that its more common than the muslim honour cases. Call it a hunch.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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