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Re: Two Boats Arrived In Two Days
Reply #15 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 7:10am

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 7:06am:

Do you have any proof asylum seekers are being turned back as quickly as they arrive???

Do you have any proof asylum seekers are being dumped on Australian streets with little or no security and background checks???

Or do we take your word for it???

Huh

We take the word of the Immigration Minister and Radio 2GB.

They'd never tell a lie.

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warrigal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2569 australia Gender:	Re: Two Boats Arrived In Two Days Reply #16 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 7:45am There is a simple solution if we want to stop Boat coming from Indonesia, We put a Australian force on land and at sea around Indonesia to Hunt them down and stop them. And Bugger Indonesia.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Two Boats Arrived In Two Days Reply #17 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 7:52am Well I for one can't see any potential issues with that at all Warrigal.
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Two Boats Arrived In Two Days Reply #18 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 7:55am polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 7:52am: Well I for one can't see any potential issues with that at all Warrigal. I don't know whether to laugh or cry@warrigal's plan.
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Re: Two Boats Arrived In Two Days
Reply #19 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 9:02am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 7:55am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 7:52am:

Well I for one can't see any potential issues with that at all Warrigal.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry@warrigal's plan.

So you would just bury your head in the sand and say please go away boat people, asylum seekers, muslims.

if we don't do anything northing changes

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If you can create a big enough lie about someone IGNORANT people will bellieve it.

The bigger the Arshole you are on this forum, the more right you have to stay.

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Re: Two Boats Arrived In Two Days
Reply #20 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 9:05am

warrigal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 9:02am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 7:55am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 7:52am:

Well I for one can't see any potential issues with that at all Warrigal.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry@warrigal's plan.

So you would just bury your head in the sand and say please go away boat people, asylum seekers, muslims.

if we don't do anything northing changes

Are you frightened by boats, asylum seekers, and Muslims?

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Re: Two Boats Arrived In Two Days
Reply #21 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:33am

mantra wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 6:38am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 6:32am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 5:49am:

Like it or not, boat arrivals are down a considerable amount since Abbott became PM. Expect that to continue following the deportation of around 70 people from SL within 5 days of their arrival here by boat. The message: you won't get in, so don't waste your money.

im pretty sure 99% of Australians are going to be very happy with the results so far.

Unfortunately, it seems that the other 1% of the nutters write on this forum.

The boats had slowed down prior to the election thanks to Rudd's PNG Solution and Abbott is continuing with this policy.

He is being given false credit.

Indeed. I've noticed how shrill the Reich are whenever any suggestion is raised that claims Abbott is responsible for any problems occurring now; they are quick to blame the previous government. Yet they are quite eager to accept all credit for anything happening since the election.

The double standards are blatantly obvious yet they don't see it.

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As his ministers are gagged and Abbott chooses to run the government in secrecy with whispers behind closed doors - you don't know what the truth is.

This is also a concern. A culture of secrecy brought Kennett undone in 1999. Micromanagement brought Rudd undone in 2010. Yet Abbott won't learn these pertinent historical lessons. Add to that Abbott's own goal of not giving a pay rise to staffers despite an increase to their workload and we've got quite a mix.

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Reply #22 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:52am

The last few boats have had African's on board (from Somalia). I'd say the smugglers are making sure their clients are from war torn countries this time. This guarantees a visa . The smugglers wouldn't prefer Somali refugees because they are so poor they can't pay upfront payments. But they probably figure they'll get their money via the Australian taxpayer when they start their new careers as dole bludgers. A smart piece of racial profiling by the smugglers. They are a smart and cunning bunch.

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Reply #23 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:57am

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 9:05am:

warrigal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 9:02am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 7:55am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 7:52am:

Well I for one can't see any potential issues with that at all Warrigal.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry@warrigal's plan.

So you would just bury your head in the sand and say please go away boat people, asylum seekers, muslims.

if we don't do anything northing changes

Are you frightened by boats, asylum seekers, and Muslims?

nah not frightened.. just pizzzed off that people smugglers are the ones that chooses who we live alongside..

and its only those that can afford their HUGE prices.. Roll Eyes

they are not that charitable from what I have read.. dont even supply a life jacket.

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Re: Two Boats Arrived In Two Days
Reply #24 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 11:01am

Big Dave wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:52am:

The last few boats have had African's on board (from Somalia). I'd say the smugglers are making sure their clients are from war torn countries this time. This guarantees a visa . The smugglers wouldn't prefer Somali refugees because they are so poor they can't pay upfront payments. But they probably figure they'll get their money via the Australian taxpayer when they start their new careers as dole bludgers. A smart piece of racial profiling by the smugglers. They are a smart and cunning bunch.

True, Comrade. People smugglers are happy to bring people to Australia on the never-never.

Pay us when you can afford it.

This is progress.

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Reply #25 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 11:06am

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 11:01am:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:52am:

The last few boats have had African's on board (from Somalia). I'd say the smugglers are making sure their clients are from war torn countries this time. This guarantees a visa . The smugglers wouldn't prefer Somali refugees because they are so poor they can't pay upfront payments. But they probably figure they'll get their money via the Australian taxpayer when they start their new careers as dole bludgers. A smart piece of racial profiling by the smugglers. They are a smart and cunning bunch.

True, Comrade. People smugglers are happy to bring people to Australia on the never-never.

Pay us when you can afford it.

This is progress.

It's well known that there's a payback scheme.

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Reply #26 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 11:30am

I just wonder if asylum seekers are getting mixed messages after the change in government. Before the election, Rudd's policy was very clear - you get picked up by Australian authorities, you have no chance of being settled in Australia. The message was very clear - they even took out full page ads in Australian newspapers to remind any contacts the asylum seekers might have in Australia.

Now the government has changed, the message seems to have changed. Abbott and Morrisson have been talking about bringing back TPVs. Well if you are to be settled in PNG, where you are PNG's problem, why on earth would they need TPVs issued by the Australian government? Then the publicity stopped - there is no longer loud boasting from the government that if you seek asylum in Australia by boat, you will not be settled in Australia. Abbott seems to want to keep this policy, but for some reason he only seems to want to whisper it. Significantly also, is that the turn-the-boats-back policy seem almost certainly to be dead in the water (pardon the pun) - traded in for non-confrontation with Indonesia and a free-trade agreement. And if Abbott is prepared to back down on the most important component of his boat policy, is there any bounds on what he will capitulate on in this policy? This point won't have been lost on the people smugglers. Now we are getting reports that the government seems to be moving away from PNG - at least in regards to processing. Does this extend to resettlement? Its really not clearly explained.

If I was a people smuggler, I would be playing on this doubt. Tell desperate asylum seekers that its is no longer clear that genuine refugees will be automatically sent to PNG. That was Rudd's policy, and Rudd has gone. Abbott is conspicuous in not wanting to advertise the PNG solution. So why not spread the rumour in the refugee camps in Indonesia that the PNG solution has been abolished.

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Reply #27 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 12:23pm

Big Dave wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 11:06am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 11:01am:

Big Dave wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 10:52am:

The last few boats have had African's on board (from Somalia). I'd say the smugglers are making sure their clients are from war torn countries this time. This guarantees a visa . The smugglers wouldn't prefer Somali refugees because they are so poor they can't pay upfront payments. But they probably figure they'll get their money via the Australian taxpayer when they start their new careers as dole bludgers. A smart piece of racial profiling by the smugglers. They are a smart and cunning bunch.

True, Comrade. People smugglers are happy to bring people to Australia on the never-never.

Pay us when you can afford it.

This is progress.

It's well known that there's a payback scheme.

Really? Sort of like lay-by, or hire-purchase?

Please explain.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Two Boats Arrived In Two Days Reply #28 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 12:29pm Maybe Abbott doesn’t want to stop the BOATS! It is clearly a govt of no talents that we see so maybe having BOATS around to point to and berate the ALP is a deliberate ploy?
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Reply #29 - Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 12:34pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Maybe Abbott doesn’t want to stop the BOATS! It is clearly a govt of no talents that we see so maybe having BOATS around to point to and berate the ALP is a deliberate ploy?

Ah, I think you're onto something here. Mr Abbott says to stop the boats, then does everything in his power to keep the boats, blames the leftards and sweeps into an election victory.

I don't know why you'd say that's a government of no talent. It sounds like genius to me.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are now in charge.

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