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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #45 - Oct 27^th, 2013 at 11:18am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 6:38am:

Mr Ajax

Are suggesting that CO2 concentration in the earths atmosphere can be increased to any level and not have any effects on the earths thermal retention rates, ice cover, climate etc?

Have a look at our history we have had 20 times the amount of CO2 we have today and there was no runaway greenhouse effect.

Why should man's minuscule amount of CO2 emissions be so frieghtening to the IPCC, a political organisation that works for the elite moguls of this world.

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Have you decided what proportion of the fossil fuel reserves should be burnt as quickly as possible, how much forest cover is allowed for the planet, what CO2 level is permitted?

Lets burn them all, that way we will be forced to come up with other alternatives, way before we have exhausted our fossil fuels.

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Have you designed the future for ALL of the earths inhabitants as well as all of the other species of life?

Look at our history, are you going to try and stop creatures from becoming extinct......???

Its natural evolution and its been happening from day dot.

Your forgetting that at any moment the sun could heat up so much that the amount of natural CO2 that gets thrown up into our atmosphere will eclipse anything man has emitted.

Will you still try to save all the critters that cannot adjust...???

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Are you the ultimate judge of risk, for all of humanity?

No i'm not but our history tells us that today we have some of the lowest amounts of CO2 in our atmosphere and we also have some of the coolest temperatures.

There's only one way they can go in accordance with our history and that is up.

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All because you don't want to pay any taxes but wish to benefit from what taxes deliver

...like the internet which you are using right now, as well as the computer chip which is running your PC - all innovations of the tax payer funding model.

I don't mind paying taxes that go to our government, taxes that go to the United Nations and other international corporations and institutions are a waste of Australian tax payers money.

Tell me why should the UN environmental fund that was developed by that smacking PIG Maurice Strong receive 10% of the revenue of the Australian carbon tax.

Give me one good reason.........................???

Are we going to help this big bring about our downfall.

Because that's what he wants, he wants to destroy the middle class of the western world.

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If it concerns you so much why not live alone on a desolate island somewhere?

That is actually a good one for you, if you think man's miniscule amount of CO2 emissions is that damaging the same could be said to you.

Lead the way by example..................!!!!!!!!

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I know that there are plenty of Australians who prefer to shift their citizenry and therefor their tax liability to various small island nations,

Why would they do that Mr Ajax?

You tell me chimp....????

Tell me why Kerry packer once payed $400 personal tax for that year.

If we did that we would be in jail.......?????

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #46 - Oct 27^th, 2013 at 11:20am

muso wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

Ajax, Wieslaw Maslowski works for the US Navy Polar Ice Prediction System. He might have written a paper on polar ice, but it was one of many. Just because one researcher gets it wrong doesn't imply that there was any consensus.

Perhaps if the level of Chinese aerosol pollution was less, he could have easily been right.

Hey muso

When are you going to get it through your head that a consensus in science means SFA.....!!!!!!

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #47 - Oct 27^th, 2013 at 12:23pm

Ajax wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

muso wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

Ajax, Wieslaw Maslowski works for the US Navy Polar Ice Prediction System. He might have written a paper on polar ice, but it was one of many. Just because one researcher gets it wrong doesn't imply that there was any consensus.

Perhaps if the level of Chinese aerosol pollution was less, he could have easily been right.

Hey muso

When are you going to get it through your head that a consensus in science means SFA.....!!!!!!

and yet you place an undying faith in your religious doctrine every time you attend your church group to worship your denialism

This certainly doesn't mean SFA - doesnt it Mr Ajax?

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #48 - Oct 28^th, 2013 at 12:17am

Ajax wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

muso wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 9:40am:

Ajax, Wieslaw Maslowski works for the US Navy Polar Ice Prediction System. He might have written a paper on polar ice, but it was one of many. Just because one researcher gets it wrong doesn't imply that there was any consensus.

Perhaps if the level of Chinese aerosol pollution was less, he could have easily been right.

Hey muso

When are you going to get it through your head that a consensus in science means SFA.....!!!!!!

Ajax says whatthe Roll Eyes

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #50 - Oct 28^th, 2013 at 6:13am

Ajax wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Lets burn them all, that way we will be forced to come up with other alternatives, way before we have exhausted our fossil fuels.

What proportion of the oxygen in the earths atmosphere would need to be consumed in order to burn all the fossil fuel reserves in the earths crust?

(HINT: think of how the naturally sequestered fossil fuels got into the earths crust in the first place)

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #51 - Oct 28^th, 2013 at 3:27pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 6:13am:

Ajax wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

Lets burn them all, that way we will be forced to come up with other alternatives, way before we have exhausted our fossil fuels.

What proportion of the oxygen in the earths atmosphere would need to be consumed in order to burn all the fossil fuel reserves in the earths crust?

(HINT: think of how the naturally sequestered fossil fuels got into the earths crust in the first place)

Whoah talk about firing neurons Shocked

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #52 - Oct 28^th, 2013 at 4:58pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:15am:

Earlier this year I attended a public lecture given by David Spratt. One important highlight that emerged from this informative lecture was the survivability of the Greenland ice sheet as the earth warms.

Will the Greenland Ice Sheet survive if the Arctic were sea-ice-free in summer and winter?

“not only is ice sheet survival unlikely but its disintegration would be a wet process that can proceed rapidly” – James Hansen

The tipping point for Greenland revised to 1.6 deg C above pre-industrial (uncertainty range is 0.8 to 3.2 deg C)
(Robinson et al., Nature Climate change 2: 429-432)

Paleo-Climate record shows that Greenland ice-sheet formed at less than 400 ppmv and we are at these CO2 levels now.

David Spratt’s opinion is that we have already crossed the Greenland ice sheet melt tipping point and we will only know in retrospect.

Get your atlases out ladies and gentlemen and check out HOW big Greenland is and find out how thick the ice sheet is.

So what?
Greenland melts...it disrupts the Atlantic conveyer...stops the Gulf Stream and before you can say Jimminy Cricket...you have an ice sheet again...only bigger...then you can have lots of sea ice...you should be up there with a hair dryer!

rates of change are dangerous: THAT'S WHAT!!

EVER HEARD OF RESOURCE BOTTLENECKS?

EVER HEARD OF PANIC??

WHAT IS WAR???

And what is the 'rate of change'???
You keep crapping on about 'rates of change'...BUT you never actually say what the 'rates' are,,,Do you Not know, or are you afraid to say so??

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #53 - Oct 28^th, 2013 at 6:44pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:15am:

Earlier this year I attended a public lecture given by David Spratt. One important highlight that emerged from this informative lecture was the survivability of the Greenland ice sheet as the earth warms.

Will the Greenland Ice Sheet survive if the Arctic were sea-ice-free in summer and winter?

“not only is ice sheet survival unlikely but its disintegration would be a wet process that can proceed rapidly” – James Hansen

The tipping point for Greenland revised to 1.6 deg C above pre-industrial (uncertainty range is 0.8 to 3.2 deg C)
(Robinson et al., Nature Climate change 2: 429-432)

Paleo-Climate record shows that Greenland ice-sheet formed at less than 400 ppmv and we are at these CO2 levels now.

David Spratt’s opinion is that we have already crossed the Greenland ice sheet melt tipping point and we will only know in retrospect.

Get your atlases out ladies and gentlemen and check out HOW big Greenland is and find out how thick the ice sheet is.

So what?
Greenland melts...it disrupts the Atlantic conveyer...stops the Gulf Stream and before you can say Jimminy Cricket...you have an ice sheet again...only bigger...then you can have lots of sea ice...you should be up there with a hair dryer!

rates of change are dangerous: THAT'S WHAT!!

EVER HEARD OF RESOURCE BOTTLENECKS?

EVER HEARD OF PANIC??

WHAT IS WAR???

And what is the 'rate of change'???
You keep crapping on about 'rates of change'...BUT you never actually say what the 'rates' are,,,Do you Not know, or are you afraid to say so??

In order to quote some meaningful RATES OF CHANGE, one would need to refer to the peer reviewed scientific literature and use mathematics etc.,

I didn't realise that these THINGS interested crack pot Global warming denialist priests and their church congregations

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #54 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 12:46am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:15am:

Earlier this year I attended a public lecture given by David Spratt. One important highlight that emerged from this informative lecture was the survivability of the Greenland ice sheet as the earth warms.

Will the Greenland Ice Sheet survive if the Arctic were sea-ice-free in summer and winter?

“not only is ice sheet survival unlikely but its disintegration would be a wet process that can proceed rapidly” – James Hansen

The tipping point for Greenland revised to 1.6 deg C above pre-industrial (uncertainty range is 0.8 to 3.2 deg C)
(Robinson et al., Nature Climate change 2: 429-432)

Paleo-Climate record shows that Greenland ice-sheet formed at less than 400 ppmv and we are at these CO2 levels now.

David Spratt’s opinion is that we have already crossed the Greenland ice sheet melt tipping point and we will only know in retrospect.

Get your atlases out ladies and gentlemen and check out HOW big Greenland is and find out how thick the ice sheet is.

So what?
Greenland melts...it disrupts the Atlantic conveyer...stops the Gulf Stream and before you can say Jimminy Cricket...you have an ice sheet again...only bigger...then you can have lots of sea ice...you should be up there with a hair dryer!

rates of change are dangerous: THAT'S WHAT!!

EVER HEARD OF RESOURCE BOTTLENECKS?

EVER HEARD OF PANIC??

WHAT IS WAR???

And what is the 'rate of change'???
You keep crapping on about 'rates of change'...BUT you never actually say what the 'rates' are,,,Do you Not know, or are you afraid to say so??

You still don't get scientific method Kiss

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #55 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 12:50am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 28^th, 2013 at 4:58pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:15am:

Earlier this year I attended a public lecture given by David Spratt. One important highlight that emerged from this informative lecture was the survivability of the Greenland ice sheet as the earth warms.

Will the Greenland Ice Sheet survive if the Arctic were sea-ice-free in summer and winter?

“not only is ice sheet survival unlikely but its disintegration would be a wet process that can proceed rapidly” – James Hansen

The tipping point for Greenland revised to 1.6 deg C above pre-industrial (uncertainty range is 0.8 to 3.2 deg C)
(Robinson et al., Nature Climate change 2: 429-432)

Paleo-Climate record shows that Greenland ice-sheet formed at less than 400 ppmv and we are at these CO2 levels now.

David Spratt’s opinion is that we have already crossed the Greenland ice sheet melt tipping point and we will only know in retrospect.

Get your atlases out ladies and gentlemen and check out HOW big Greenland is and find out how thick the ice sheet is.

So what?
Greenland melts...it disrupts the Atlantic conveyer...stops the Gulf Stream and before you can say Jimminy Cricket...you have an ice sheet again...only bigger...then you can have lots of sea ice...you should be up there with a hair dryer!

rates of change are dangerous: THAT'S WHAT!!

EVER HEARD OF RESOURCE BOTTLENECKS?

EVER HEARD OF PANIC??

WHAT IS WAR???

And what is the 'rate of change'???
You keep crapping on about 'rates of change'...BUT you never actually say what the 'rates' are,,,Do you Not know, or are you afraid to say so??

In order to quote some meaningful RATES OF CHANGE, one would need to refer to the peer reviewed scientific literature and use mathematics etc.,

I didn't realise that these THINGS interested crack pot Global warming denialist priests and their church congregations

They don't which is why they can't disprove accepted theory Grin

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #56 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 3:12am

namnugenot wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:15am:

Earlier this year I attended a public lecture given by David Spratt. One important highlight that emerged from this informative lecture was the survivability of the Greenland ice sheet as the earth warms.

Will the Greenland Ice Sheet survive if the Arctic were sea-ice-free in summer and winter?

“not only is ice sheet survival unlikely but its disintegration would be a wet process that can proceed rapidly” – James Hansen

The tipping point for Greenland revised to 1.6 deg C above pre-industrial (uncertainty range is 0.8 to 3.2 deg C)
(Robinson et al., Nature Climate change 2: 429-432)

Paleo-Climate record shows that Greenland ice-sheet formed at less than 400 ppmv and we are at these CO2 levels now.

David Spratt’s opinion is that we have already crossed the Greenland ice sheet melt tipping point and we will only know in retrospect.

Get your atlases out ladies and gentlemen and check out HOW big Greenland is and find out how thick the ice sheet is.

So what?
Greenland melts...it disrupts the Atlantic conveyer...stops the Gulf Stream and before you can say Jimminy Cricket...you have an ice sheet again...only bigger...then you can have lots of sea ice...you should be up there with a hair dryer!

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Wish people would understand that this happens every year during the summer, and the ice comes back during the polar winter. Unless the surface temperature is more than 10 degrees during that 5 months of constant daylight, the ice, thick as buildings, will not melt to the point where you have no permafrost.

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #57 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 7:53am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 27^th, 2013 at 12:23pm:

and yet you place an undying faith in your religious doctrine every time you attend your church group to worship your denialism

This certainly doesn't mean SFA - doesnt it Mr Ajax?

Like I keep telling you chimp if it wasn't for the skeptics you would believe so many untruths......!!!!!

Its because you lot take the IPCC findings as gospel and don't question it...................??????

That's not how science works dude.....!!!!!

And you turn a blind eye when they tell what they really do stand for.........!!!

Hail Ottmar............!!!!!

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"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this.

One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #58 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:56am

Ajax

How and why did the molecular Oxygen level in the earths atmosphere increase to todays concentration of about 21%?

(HINTS: Molecular Oxygen concentration in the earth's atmosphere was near zero prior to organic life forming in significant regions of the planet.

Its possible to estimate the total fossil fuel reserves in the earths crust, merely by knowing the concentration of O2 in the earths atmosphere - did you know that Mr Ajax?)

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Re: Melting tipping Point for Greenland ice-sheet.
Reply #59 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 9:59am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

Ajax

How and why did the molecular Oxygen level in the earths atmosphere increase to todays concentration of about 21%?

Plant life which also thrived because we had 7000ppm of Co2 in the atmosphere as well at the time......!!!!!

Plant life uses water and CO2 to form carbohydrates and oxygen.

So we need CO2 and heaps of it.......LOL

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(HINTS: Molecular Oxygen concentration in the earth's atmosphere was near zero prior to organic life forming in significant regions of the planet.

Ok where are you going with that comment.....????

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Its possible to estimate the total fossil fuel reserves in the earths crust, merely by knowing the concentration of O2 in the earths atmosphere - did you know that Mr Ajax?)

If you don't provide something to back that statement I would say its bullsh!t.

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