wally1 wrote on Oct 25
th, 2013 at 9:32pm:
1) John 20:17 "...Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my father and your father, to my God and your God."
Jesus indicating that he has a God, and that his relationship to God is similar to the relationship of common people with God. God does not have a God, and would not tell others that his relationship with God is similar to theirs.
Jesus the man, the example to men, Jesus the servant.
Quote:2) Luke 18:19 "'Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good--except God alone."
Jesus says a) he is not good, and b) God alone is good. If Jesus were God he would not differentiate himself from God by stating that he is not good and only God alone is.
God alone is good.
John 10:36
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
Quote:3) John 17:3 "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
This verse clearly shows two separate entities - a) the "only true God" AND b) Jesus Christ (who was sent by the only true God.) Only the one who sent Jesus is the true God, meaning Jesus himself can't be God.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God is one LORD:
Isaiah 43:11
I, even
I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me:
for there is no saviour beside me.John 10:30
I and my Father are one.John 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord,
shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him,
Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?i
wally1,
Does the moslem submit himself to God, .....or, does the moslem submit himself to the demand for obedience, coming
from men [within the ummah] ?
Habakkuk 2:4
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment;
I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
43
Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Is that word,
Israel, a stumbling-block for the moslem ?
Is
the hatred within you so deep, that you will never turn from it ?
Hated, Zion ?
Romans 9:33
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
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