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Re: Inbreeding in islam
Reply #30 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:37am
 
Inbreeding is a real problem for some countries/cultures.
My wife works at a childrens hospital and they have to refer many people to genetic counseling and yes it is more of a problem for certain groups.
Why you would bother posting that information on an inbred Australian forum makes me wonder.
It would be much better if you went in person and delivered that information at the Mosque or local Islamic school
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Reply #31 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 9:06am
 
miketrees wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:37am:
Inbreeding is a real problem for some countries/cultures.
My wife works at a childrens hospital and they have to refer many people to genetic counseling and yes it is more of a problem for certain groups.
Why you would bother posting that information on an inbred Australian forum makes me wonder.

It would be much better if you went in person and delivered that information at the Mosque or local Islamic school



LOL

Yes, yes, our moslem 'brothers' at the mosque/ISLAMIC school, would be very receptive to a message like that [.... a message like that, coming from filthy infidels] !!!      .....NOT!

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Re: Inbreeding in islam
Reply #32 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 3:46pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 11:50pm:
Poor attempt at deflection there, Soren but typical for you.  So, if the rate of abnormality  is bad for Muslims, why isn't it bad for White British women?   Roll Eyes


Brian, Bigot, why do you bother to post?

A rough estimate shows that close to half of the world’s Muslims are inbred as a result of consanguineous marriages. In Pakistan, 70 percent of all marriages are between first cousins – children of siblings – and in Turkey the share is 25-30 percent.

Statistical research on Arabic countries indicates that up to 34 percent of all marriages in Algeria are blood-related as are 46 percent in Bahrain, 33 percent in Egypt, 80 percent in Nubia (the southern part of Egypt), 60 percent in Iraq, 64 percent in Jordan, 64 percent in Kuwait, 42 percent in Lebanon, 48 percent in Libya, 47 percent in Mauritania, 54 percent in Qatar, 67 percent in Saudi Arabia, 63 percent in Sudan, 40 percent in Syria, 39 percent in Tunisia, 54 percent in the United Arabic Emirates and 45 percent in Yemen. According to Dr. Nadia Sakati of King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh, 45 percent of married Arab couples are blood-related.  The fact that many of these couples are themselves children of blood-related parents increases the risk of negative consequences.

The number of blood-related marriages is lower among Muslim immigrants living in the West.
Among Pakistanis living in Denmark the number is down to 40 percent and it is 15 percent among Turkish immigrants. This may be due to the fact that immigration rules make it difficult to import family-related brides. Another factor may be better information on the risks connected with blood-related marriages. Because of better human rights protection it is also more difficult for traditional Muslim families to force their children to marry within the family.


http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/psychologist-serious-consequences...

But there is one culture, one faux "religion," that expressly condones and encourages consanguineous marriage and breeding.  That system is Islam, and the document that explicitly ratifies incest is the Koran, specifically Sura 4 verse 23:



Prohibited for you (in marriage) are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, the sisters of your fathers, the sisters of your mothers, the daughters of your brother, the daughters of your sister, your nursing mothers, the girls who nursed from the same woman as you, the mothers of your wives, the daughters of your wives with whom you have consummated the marriage -- if the marriage has not been consummated, you may marry the daughter. Also prohibited for you are the women who were married to your genetic sons. Also, you shall not be married to two sisters at the same time -- but do not break up existing marriages.


Sounds like an exhaustive list -- but it is not.  It is the most lax incest prohibition in all of human culture.  There is a massive omission: cousins only once removed.  In the Muslim culture, marriage and breeding between first cousins has existed since day one.  Mohammed himself married Zaynab, who was his father's sister's daughter.  Mohammed and Zaynab were direct first cousins.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/the_keystone_of_the_islamic_mi.html

Did you know Brian Cuvnt, was a term of endearment in the 16th century and could not be used as a swear word! As we move forward in time words take on different meanings. So bigot how do you and your cabal intend to move into the present.

It appears I have made a Freudian slip in my punctuation, oh dear I am sure it will not be noticed.

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Reply #33 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 6:46pm
 
Inbreeding was light years before Prophet Mohamed,

Prophet Abraham married his cousin Sarah,
Prophet Isaac married his cousin Rebecca,
Prophet Jacob married his cousin Rachel
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Re: Inbreeding in islam
Reply #34 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:14pm
 
wally1 wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 6:46pm:
Inbreeding was light years before Prophet Mohamed,

Prophet Abraham married his cousin Sarah,



As Abraham did not exist how could he have married?

Please enlighten us plagiarist.

This is of course for the edification of all!
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Re: Inbreeding in islam
Reply #35 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:28pm
 
Adamant wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 3:46pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 11:50pm:
Poor attempt at deflection there, Soren but typical for you.  So, if the rate of abnormality  is bad for Muslims, why isn't it bad for White British women?   Roll Eyes


Brian, Bigot, why do you bother to post?


'cause I know it annoys people such as yourself whom are actually bigots?  I'm a great believer in the quote malattributed to Edmund Burke, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"  You might believe that religious persecution is OK, most people don't.  There are no excuses IMHO for any form of persecution.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Inbreeding in islam
Reply #36 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:53pm
 
Adamant wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:14pm:
wally1 wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 6:46pm:
Inbreeding was light years before Prophet Mohamed,

Prophet Abraham married his cousin Sarah,



As Abraham did not exist how could he have married?

Please enlighten us plagiarist.

This is of course for the edification of all!


Prove he didn't exist

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Reply #37 - Nov 2nd, 2013 at 10:14am
 
Adamant wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:14pm:
wally1 wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 6:46pm:
Inbreeding was light years before Prophet Mohamed,

Prophet Abraham married his cousin Sarah,



As Abraham did not exist how could he have married?

Please enlighten us plagiarist.

This is of course for the edification of all!


Why do you believe Mohamed existed and married his cousin but Abraham didn't exist?
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Reply #38 - Nov 2nd, 2013 at 10:34am
 
|dev|null wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 5:49pm:
"Doubling" from 3% to 6% of births.  Doesn't appear to be much, does it?   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin


You don't think that having 6% of children born with a congenital abnormality is significant?

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Inbreeding was light years before Prophet Mohamed,


So you are trying to excuse rampant inbreeding across the Muslim world, attributable at least partly to Muhammed marrying his first cousin, by throwing back even further?
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Re: Inbreeding in islam
Reply #39 - Nov 2nd, 2013 at 11:01am
 
wally1 wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:53pm:
Adamant wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:14pm:
wally1 wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 6:46pm:
Inbreeding was light years before Prophet Mohamed,

Prophet Abraham married his cousin Sarah,



As Abraham did not exist how could he have married?

Please enlighten us plagiarist.

This is of course for the edification of all!


Prove he didn't exist



Why proffer a counter-question as an answer?
I asked the question first wally, why won't you answer it, unable to plagiarise this time are you wally!
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Re: Inbreeding in islam
Reply #40 - Nov 2nd, 2013 at 7:02pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:28pm:
I'm a great believer in the quote malattributed to Edmund Burke


Do you mean erroneously, wrongfully or misattributed?

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:28pm:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"


I do agree, but you and your cohorts are the ones who refuse to act, you and your ilk are todays fifth column. Your left wing diatribe knows no bounds.

You are not a "GOOD  MAN"

The Barbarians are at the Gates, you are helping to open them!


This is what Burke DID say "There is, however, a limit at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue"

PS Checked up yet what Bigot means? No, thought not! Bigot
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Reply #41 - Nov 3rd, 2013 at 1:01am
 
Adamant wrote on Nov 2nd, 2013 at 7:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:28pm:
I'm a great believer in the quote malattributed to Edmund Burke


Do you mean erroneously, wrongfully or misattributed?

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 7:28pm:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"


I do agree, but you and your cohorts are the ones who refuse to act, you and your ilk are todays fifth column. Your left wing diatribe knows no bounds.


Actually, the point is my Left Wing views (which are actually only mildly Left of Centre) do know bounds.  It is people such as yourself who refuse to respect any bounds, believing you have carte blanche to engage in persecution on the basis of your prejudices.   Roll Eyes

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You are not a "GOOD  MAN"


I disagree.  I believe I am indeed a good man.  I believe in giving everybody a fair go, even you.   With each post you make you prove my viewpoint is correct.

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The Barbarians are at the Gates, you are helping to open them!


As your viewpoint is invariably barbaric, I believe the Barbarians are already inside the gates.

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This is what Burke DID say "There is, however, a limit at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue"

PS Checked up yet what Bigot means? No, thought not! Bigot


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bigot
Pronunciation: /ˈbɪgət/
Translate bigot | into German | into Italian | into Spanish
noun

    a person who is bigoted:
         religious bigots
         he was a fanatical bigot

Origin:

late 16th century (denoting a superstitious religious hypocrite): from French, of unknown origin

[Source]

Perhaps you're using a different dictionary to the rest of us?   Roll Eyes
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Re: Inbreeding in islam
Reply #42 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 3:42pm
 
Adamant wrote on Nov 2nd, 2013 at 11:01am:
Why proffer a counter-question as an answer?I asked the question first wally, why won't you answer it, unable to plagiarise this time are you wally!



Answer the simple question Wally, or go away if you find the truth too hard!
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Reply #43 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 4:20pm
 
Adamant wrote on Nov 5th, 2013 at 3:42pm:
Adamant wrote on Nov 2nd, 2013 at 11:01am:
Why proffer a counter-question as an answer?I asked the question first wally, why won't you answer it, unable to plagiarise this time are you wally!



Answer the simple question Wally, or go away if you find the truth too hard!


Your the one who claimed that inbreeding started with islam, but I refuted you and said inbreeding happened way before even prophet Mohamed was born. Then you claim that Prophet Abraham doesn't exist.But you believe that Prophet Mohamed existed.

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Reply #44 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 5:04pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 1:01am:


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This is what Burke DID say "There is, however, a limit at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue"

PS Checked up yet what Bigot means? No, thought not! Bigot


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bigot
Pronunciation: /ˈbɪgət/
Translate bigot | into German | into Italian | into Spanish
noun

    a person who is bigoted:
         religious bigots
         he was a fanatical bigot

Origin:

late 16th century (denoting a superstitious religious hypocrite): from French, of unknown origin

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Perhaps you're using a different dictionary to the rest of us?   Roll Eyes






brian,

The only part of that dictionary entry which you quoted, which actually defines the meaning of the word 'bigot', is;

"a person who is bigoted:"

LOL





Try this definition brian;

The futility, of trying to accommodate moslems
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379892909/9#9
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Dictionary;
bigot = =
1  a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.
2  a person who expresses an opinion/view which does not coincide with the opinion/views of Brian_Ross.


Bigots, are those people who are,
".....intolerant of the opinions of others."



brian,

If the act of bigotry, involves being intolerant of the expressed opinions of others;







brian,

AGAIN I ASK YOU;

If the act of bigotry, involves being intolerant of the expressed opinions of others;

And if 'mainstream' ISLAM [within its published religious doctrine] expresses ISLAM's intolerance of the 'expressed opinions' of others [THAT IS; 'others' who do not want to become moslems]...

e.g.
"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193




Then brian, do you view ISLAM as being a purveyor of violent religious bigotry in the world ?

It is a serious question.

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