polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 29
th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Y. as usual my point flies right over your head.
You claimed a little while back that filicide is "common" in the muslim world. These types of killings, which always gets our western media in a frenzy, are popularly known as "honour killings".
Whatever you meant by "common" (you never did clarify despite repeated requests), there is a fairly widespread assumption that muslims kill members of their family at higher rates than any non-muslim society - mainly because of the way 'honour killings' are so highly publicised in our media.
My opinion is that this assumption is wrong because it is utterly baseless. Part of the problem is that whenever a muslim is killed by a member of his/her family, it is always portrayed as a matter of "honour" - regardless of the circumstances. My point here is to use the same prescription in non-muslim society. A man kills his relatives for whatever reason - is it about "honour" who knows? Such a concept is neither here nor there. Yet if it was muslim, the media and the public would jump at the opportunity to call it an "honour killing". Why is that?
Ultimately, what this boils down to is we have no basis to call this honour killing thing a muslim phenomenom when we don't even know the rate of these killings compared to non-muslims.
gandalf,
Individuals in the wider community will
often sometimes kill members of their own family, with motives related to jealousy.
And perhaps at other times,
individuals in the wider community will
often sometimes kill members of their own family, when they are
motivated overcome by feelings of by rage.
But such murders and their motives ARE NEVER EXCUSED by the wider community.Whereas moslem/ISLAMIC culture
does excuse 'familial' murders - where the 'right to kill' the member(s) of their own family exists, based upon cultural and 'religious' reasons.
Where the motive for the murder is often given [AND OFTEN JUSTIFIED
WITHIN THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY] as the moslem murderers' 'right to kill' the member(s) of his own family, [a right] based upon cultural or 'religious' reasons [being unrelated to the laws concerning murder, within the wider host community].
"....where the 'right to kill' the member(s) of their own family exists, based upon cultural and 'religious' reasons."
The Hadith,
"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260
ISLAMIC law texts declare, moslems can 'lawfully' kill 'unbelievers'/apostates,
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established.
Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110
n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."The Koran instructs moslems,
'Take no apostates as friends. And when apostates oppose you [in Allah's way],
kill them.'
Koran 4.88, 89
There are other exhortations within the Koran, that a moslem must connect himself to ISLAM and fellow moslems, even when this means his separation from his immediate family [who are disbelievers].
gandalf,
I do not have access to figures proving that 'familial' murders are more common within moslem community.
But violent 'familial' murders do
seem to be a lot more common within the moslem community [than in the wider community].
Seem ?
Is that just because violent 'familial' murders within moslem community seem to be reported so often [e.g. in Europe, which hosts a large moslem guest community] ?
Perhaps.
But gandalf, a question;
Q.
If [as you will no doubt claim] violent 'familial' murders within the moslem community are not sanctioned by ISLAM, then shouldn't moslems be working feverishly to OUTLAW and to completely ERADICATE such occurrences ???
And another question gandalf ;
Q.
Why is the eradication of these violent 'familial' murders within moslem communities proving so, so, difficult to accomplish among such a virtuous people - when moslems frequently claim that there is no or little will to commit such murders in their community ?
Google;
gallery of honour killing, muslim right to kill
+++
Moslems are a lying,
deceitful, treacherous, murderous people.
And moslems are driven by an insane, irrational commitment [and their individual choice], to follow a murderous death cult.
A cursed people.
That is my opinion of moslems.
n.b.
Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam. Quote:"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb
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