According to Greenspan, the FEDERAL RESERVE is totally independent from the government

List the share holders of the Federal Reserve Bank

But you remained silent when trillions of dollars where handed out to banks and corporations during the 2008 GFC

Corporate welfare which is NORMALLY handed out anyway, but which was ramped up during the GFC

Corrupt toxic debts repackaged and sold on by criminal organisations such as Goldman Sachs with their mates in the corporate RATING AGENCIES giving them AAA ratings.

One big corporate capitalist scam run from the very top.

This is the world you advocate

this is the moral justification you offer for corporatism - a form of fascism never seem in the world before.

And you want to quote a lunatic Chicago economic rationalist like Friedman to support your immorality and delusional right wing scam systems?

Try again vuk11

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 1:24pm:


False assumption. How would you know whether I was silent or not? I objected when it was proposed.

Vuk11 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 1:28pm:


YOU did NOT object to the corporate welfare handouts DURING the 2008 GFC - and more importantly YOU do not object to the corporate welfare state, before and after the GFC in 2008.

These hand outs are still going on Mr vuk11.

Where are your concerns TODAY?

You fill your mug of coffee with the corporatized NESTLE fascist coffee beans and sail along the seas of delusional self inflicted slavery.

You remain silent all alright - before, during and AFTER the GFC

There is not better example of your complicit silence and corporate obedience than your avoidance of the 1.9 trillion dollars of global tax payer funded subsidies that are funnelled into the FOSSIL FUEL corporations each year.

Your little self appraised EFFCIENT capitalist fossil fuel corporate ventures around the world not only require MASSIVE military fascist interventionism to survive and grow, they also need hard cold cash from the tax payer each year to the tune of 1.9 TRILLION DOLLARS.

In the end you must live with the fake moral cacoon that you have erected. Fragile as it is, it is all you have in here.

You sir have a lot of explaining to do.

The philosopher Hegel, Edmund Burke's contemporary, saw precisely this. He, too, was a witness of the birth of the new middle-class order in France; and he, too, spotted something terrifying at its heart. The name he gave to this terror was absolute freedom - or, as he scathingly called it, 'the freedom of the void'. Bourgeois society dreamed of a freedom so pure and absolute that it could tolerate no boundaries or restrictions. And this, in a creaturely, constricted world, was bound to present itself as a form of terror. In the end, this pure freedom even became an obstacle to itself, and thus ended up devouring itself, like the Jacobin Terror. Eventually it was the revolutionaries themselves who filled the carts trundling their way up to the guillotine.

Absolute freedom eats itself up. Yet its violence, today as in Hegel's time, continues to infiltrate the daily life of capitalist societies. Absolute freedom means negative freedom: a freedom from all restraint, which can see limits only as barriers to humanity, not as constitutive of it. The world is imperilled not by hard-nosed cynics who insist that nothing is possible, but by wide-eyed, 'can-do' idealists for whom anything is possible. Most of these are known as Americans. When the ancient Greeks encountered this kind of blasphemous overreaching, they called it 'hubris' and looked fearfully to the skies. And it is from the skies that it has had its tragic come-uppance.

Socialism is not about reaching for the stars, but reminding us of our frailty and mortality, and so of our need for one another. In contrast, absolute freedom regards the world as just so much pliable stuff to be manipulated in whatever way takes its fancy.

You're an Anarchist Grey, how do you intend to keep people from participating in free market capitalism? Or are people free to do so? I always worry about the Anarchist transition method in respect to property, how well they intend to respect the opinion of others.