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Reply #405 - Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:56pm

Vuk11 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

If you want to go for rule by the majority be my guess.
I can't f off. No one in this world can f off because states claim control over every square inch of land on the earth.

By advocating the state you are advocating the subjugation of every human being. That you think people should be able to control others. This is immoral.
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Dear god!(if I had one) A society is not any more a rule by majority than a tribal situation is, it's more rule by consensus. It's more cultural than "rule". We have law, lore. This is nothing to do with your inference to wolves and sheep deciding what to eat. Sixty years ago gays, like children, kept quiet. The polity has decided that should change. That is not a majority(poofs) deciding what a minority(hetros) gets. It's the opposite. What it is, is a minority of people putting their case for freedom to the rest of their peers.

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Reply #406 - Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:58pm

Vuk11 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:50pm:

260 000 000.
259 999 999 + 1

Two hundred and sixty million + people have been killed by their own governments in the last 100 years. That doesn't even include the amount of people killed by other peoples governments in war and genocide.

9 000 000? (9 million+?) died in WW1.
60-85 million died in WW2?

Add up all the wars in the last 100 years it's safe to say democide + genocide would equal around a total of 400 000 000+ people killed as a direct result of state.

It was the states of Germany that invaded Poland, it was the state of Japan that bombed pearl harbor, it was the allied states that invaded Europe and cut supply lines that killed millions from disease and starvation.

....and you guys are scared of business? Does McDonalds hold a gun to your head? Are you that scared of living without people telling you what to do that you would support the subjugation of 7 billion people by states?

Paper doesn't stop bullets, paper doesn't stop sociopaths and control freaks from manipulating whatever system you put up.

The founding fathers wrote a constitution specifically to prevent what is happening today, I refuse to be ignorant and egotistical enough to say that I know better how to build/run a society than those great figures of history. The US wipes it's ass with the constitution, no matter what you write on a piece of paper it will never stop psychopaths from manipulating/evading/perverting it.

Which is why I will continue to advocate that no one knows best how others should live. I don't have to know how everything is done, if people want it done it will be. I don't have to know who will pick the cotton to know that slavery is immoral. I don't have to know who will build the roads to know that theft in the form of taxation is immoral.

The world won't change until we starting calling it like it is.
Taxation is theft, law is violence, spanking children is assault, war is murder.

People are so scared of things like who will build the roads and what about pollution (a problem not being solved anyway) that they ignore the gun in the room. They ignore that all pervading force above you and everyone else dictating who you can and can't marry, who you can trade with, how many people can meet in public, what you can and can't know "oh sorry it's top secret". They are called "public servants", yet when you go to centrelink or transport department do you feel like they are serving you or the other way around? Tax payers are paying for people to run their lives.

I can do my best to calm fears with logic, but it's up to you guys to wake up and realize we don't need people telling us how they think we should live.

How wonderful of you vuk11

everybody is given a choice between being a victim of war or living in a capitalist society.

WOW

What a choice

We should all be thankful of our corporatized shackled slavery

Shut the bugger up, obey, consume and die

FInally vuk11 is cornered and he pulls this kindergarten argument to defend himself like a scoundrel.

(ironically, vuk11's argument is used against him AGAIN - Who profits from the wars vuk11? Who spills their blood?)

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Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?
Reply #407 - Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:58pm

Vuk11 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:44pm:

If you want to go for rule by the majority be my guess.
I can't f off. No one in this world can f off because states claim control over every square inch of land on the earth.

By advocating the state you are advocating the subjugation of every human being. That you think people should be able to control others. This is immoral.

A state is not needed to uphold morals. Due to things like Universally preferable behavior we can see how 99% of people hold moral truths that are inherent in all human beings.

If you buy a toy for child A and child B steals it 99% of people can agree that stealing is immoral and that sharing is preferable.

If you go to a shop you don't need a cop telling you not to jump queue, we all know to stand in line.

I point again to the below quote which is essential to understanding a free society. If you believe humans are flawed and fallible and therefore we need a state it's self contradictory, because you are putting flawed and fallible people to control flawed and fallible people because they are flawed and fallible.

If you are so scared of monopolies then why do you support the biggest and most destructive monopoly in the history of human existence? (states include any monopoly of violence in a given geographical area, kings chiefs senates presidents etc) "I'm scared of violent monopolies so I'm going to make one big violent monopoly".

"I don't want people controlling my life so I want a small group of people controlling EVERYONE"s lives".

It's ridiculous.....there is no real justification for a state besides "necessary evil" because people are afraid of business which are people....you are essential scared of each other, of everyone else. So if you are so scared of people why give strangers control over your life?

Oh here we go, more assertions, nothing to back it up, no logical stream throughout, no evidence. Just answer the questions why dont you?. Not with this stupid series of general statements; no pictures of stupid old men in tights quoting stupidity out of context (trying to drum that puerile cr@p into our heads like your the school teacher and were your students). I don't learn from idiots. I learn from people who have command of their subjects and enough confidence in their beliefs to tell me what they know and give direct answers to direct questions.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16646 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers? Reply #409 - Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:16pm Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:58pm: Shut the bugger up, obey, consume and die That's funny 'cause I watched Brave New World last night.. I remember something along the lines of "make, consume, throw away..", "I am well trained in death acceptance", "have what you want, want what you have."
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Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?
Reply #411 - Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:20pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:16pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

Shut the bugger up, obey, consume and die

That's funny 'cause I watched Brave New World last night..
I remember something along the lines of "make, consume, throw away..", "I am well trained in death acceptance", "have what you want, want what you have."

I see that you are also very impressed with Andrew Bolt as a human being, as a compassionate member of society, perhaps the premier intellectual of the last 3000 years

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Reply #412 - Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:26pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:30pm:

OK, my benchmarks:
Society; the people, the polity.
Capitalism; the quest for money and wealth(capital).
Corporation; Capitalists working together to rob the polity.
Capitalism with no Govt intervention or names:(A rose by any other name)
Cartel: Capitalists working together to rob the polity.

The Corpocracy: the state and corporate monsters forming a partnership in order to rob the polity and to prevent democracy and freedom from flourishing

(also known as fascism)

Silly me for forgetting Corpocracy... Representatives of the polity bought out and perverted by capitalism.

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Reply #413 - Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:27pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:16pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

Shut the bugger up, obey, consume and die

That's funny 'cause I watched Brave New World last night..
I remember something along the lines of "make, consume, throw away..", "I am well trained in death acceptance", "have what you want, want what you have."

I see that you are also very impressed with Andrew Bolt as a human being, as a compassionate member of society, perhaps the premier intellectual of the last 3000 years

I appreciate your sarcasm.

edit: I pinched it off Grendel. All kudos to him that Beowulf shall slay for his ill mannered ways.. When days are night and nights are days, when the heavens open and lightning plays, Thor with Mjonir lights the way, then Beowulf shall prevail.

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Reply #414 - Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:51pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:27pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:16pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

Shut the bugger up, obey, consume and die

That's funny 'cause I watched Brave New World last night..
I remember something along the lines of "make, consume, throw away..", "I am well trained in death acceptance", "have what you want, want what you have."

I see that you are also very impressed with Andrew Bolt as a human being, as a compassionate member of society, perhaps the premier intellectual of the last 3000 years

I appreciate your sarcasm.

edit: I pinched it off Grendel. All kudos to him that Beowulf shall slay for his ill mannered ways..

...still impressive even though its stolen

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Reply #415 - Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:54pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:27pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:20pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:16pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 9:58pm:

Shut the bugger up, obey, consume and die

That's funny 'cause I watched Brave New World last night..
I remember something along the lines of "make, consume, throw away..", "I am well trained in death acceptance", "have what you want, want what you have."

I see that you are also very impressed with Andrew Bolt as a human being, as a compassionate member of society, perhaps the premier intellectual of the last 3000 years

I appreciate your sarcasm.

edit: I pinched it off Grendel. All kudos to him that Beowulf shall slay for his ill mannered ways..

...still impressive even though its stolen

Nah, just correct.

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Reply #418 - Nov 7^th, 2013 at 11:54pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 11:00pm:

...just trying to flush out vuk11 and Ahovking

Sounds painful. Ouch! What have you found most efficacious? Have you been afflicted by this before? Your parents or grand parents? A genetic predisposition perhaps.... Just for future reference, let me know how it works out. Best be prepared.. and.. all..

Do I need any special equipment? Can I paint it black?

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Reply #419 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 8:55am

Setanta wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 11:54pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 11:00pm:

...just trying to flush out vuk11 and Ahovking

Sounds painful. Ouch! What have you found most efficacious? Have you been afflicted by this before? Your parents or grand parents? A genetic predisposition perhaps.... Just for future reference, let me know how it works out. Best be prepared.. and.. all..

Do I need any special equipment? Can I paint it black?

The New Orifi-2000 with back up suction pump and sub micron filter will provide you with the basics

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Yes, ofcause. 18 (72.0%) No, it doesnt 7 (28.0%) Total votes: 25 « Created by: Pantheon on: Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:31am »