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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers? Reply #30 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:23pm blessings this thread has turned into a battle in ego this is the old way of being it is up to the one in question to rectify this discordant energy signwave or continue then carry on regardless either way, be at peace namaste ॐ
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Reply #31 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:14pm

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:01am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:58am:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?

Is that a rhetorical question. Of course it does! It's the nature of the beast! Cheesy

Would you like to tell me where i went wrong

Lack of life experiences? Cheesy

I could say the same thing to you, however unlike you, i'm not a child. Please tell me where i went wrong.

You made the mistake of being a capitalist?

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Because looking at workers in the West and workers in Socialist states, We have far more rights and freedoms than other workers from socialist state don't have.

Ever consider why workers have those rights and freedoms?

Employers are always attacking those rights and freedoms, wanting them reduced or removed in the name of "flexibility". They see them as an expensive hindrance on their ability to maximise their profits, at the expense of the workers. Workers fought for those rights and freedoms because they had suffered exploitation at the hands of unscrupulous employers.

Excellent point!

decades and even centuries of activism and individuals as well as unions fighting for better conditions, respect and a secure standard of living.

Capitalists detest a united workforce that asks questions and makes demands that are fair and reflective of their work input

There is a move in some countries in Europe to empower workers with equal shares in a company venture or even in a cooperative structure where farmers pools resources for example.

They have found 3 major differences when these structures are implemented in the workplace

1. more content workers and working environment
2. higher retention of staff
3. higher productivity

Capitalism has never been tried anywhere in the world - and for a very good reason. Even the capitalists themselves don't want true market discipline to apply to their investments etc. (they don't mind if market discipline and capitalist ideologies apply to the family business or a small company. A good example was the disgraceful behaviour of governments during the 2008 GFC, trillions of dollars of tax payers money straight into the coffers of the banksters and corporations - the very same people who caused the crisis in the first place

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Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?
Reply #32 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:16pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 8:23pm:

blessings

this thread has turned into

a battle in ego

this is the old way of being

it is up to the one in question

to rectify this discordant energy signwave

or continue then carry on regardless

either way,

be at peace

namaste

ॐ

provide a detailed explanation of this "discordant energy SIGNwave"

...or remain silent

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Postmodern Trendoid Gold Member Offline International socialist Posts: 892 Gender:	Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers? Reply #33 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:18pm Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:14pm: Capitalism has never been tried anywhere in the world - Comrade, that can't be right. Who have we progressives been rebelling against for the past 150 years?
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers? Reply #34 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:37pm Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:14pm: Capitalism has never been tried anywhere in the world Mother nature is a capitalist
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Reply #35 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:40pm

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:14pm:

Capitalism has never been tried anywhere in the world -

Comrade, that can't be right. Who have we progressives been rebelling against for the past 150 years?

Its not capitalism, which is merely just another economic model.

Pure capitalism has never been practiced anywhere in the world (just like democracy hasn't been implemented anywhere)

Its the Corpocracy that you have been normally butting your heads up against.

eg.

China = State run pseudo capitalist system
USA = Corporately run pseudo capitalist system

Both China and the USA are totalitarian fascist regimes. The freedoms and rights that both nations claim are trivial and illusionary when put to the test.

It has always been a fight against fascism - and fascism takes many forms!

The most effective form thus far developed by humanity IMO is corporatism

Even Mussolini knew that

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Chimp_Logic Gold Member Offline πολιτικός Posts: 4826 Mawson Base Gender:	Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers? Reply #36 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:46pm Swagman wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:37pm: Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:14pm: Capitalism has never been tried anywhere in the world Mother nature is a capitalist yeah good one kanga - did you "thunk that up" all by yourself? Or did you get your therapist to help you with it you putrid sloth scale
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Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?
Reply #37 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:01pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:37pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:14pm:

Capitalism has never been tried anywhere in the world

Mother nature is a capitalist

yeah good one kanga - did you "thunk that up" all by yourself? Or did you get your therapist to help you with it you putrid sloth scale

Ask the dodo, Dodo

and its Mister
putrid sloth scale to you.....

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Reply #38 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:30pm

Swagman wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:01pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:37pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:14pm:

Capitalism has never been tried anywhere in the world

Mother nature is a capitalist

yeah good one kanga - did you "thunk that up" all by yourself? Or did you get your therapist to help you with it you putrid sloth scale

Ask the dodo, Dodo

and its Mister
putrid sloth scale to you.....

I will check my personal records, but I don't recall providing you with formal permission to respond to my posts

Now Be Gone with you, filthy smelly freak maggot

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers? Reply #39 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:51pm Capitalism is not perfect by any means but it absolutely is the best card game in town.
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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers? Reply #40 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:05pm Capitalism exploits, that's the way it has always worked. Without exploitation it couldn't survive.
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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers? Reply #41 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:07pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:51pm: Capitalism is not perfect by any means but it absolutely is the best card game in town. Personally, I'd prefer poker, euchre or gin rummy. Even Happy Families would be preferable.
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Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?
Reply #42 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:09pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

Capitalism is not perfect by any means but it absolutely is the best card game in town.

That's exactly what the propaganda system tells you!

Even the partial capitalist system that is deployed in the world today has left a huge mess.

Corporatised Capitalism is a form of fascism

It can never be legitimate and it can never lead to enhanced freedoms and democracy

capitalism and democracy are incompatible on every level thinkable

This is why the capitalist corporate elite, control the flow of information FIRST and foremost.

They hate the internet, even though they profit from it. They cant control the whole internet but they are trying.

Havent you noticed whats happened and what they are trying to do/??

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Reply #43 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:19pm

No thanks.

I have worked for US multi nationals for the last decade and have been profoundly well paid for it.

I have travelled the world, risen and been promoted within the corporates, received decent bonuses, we have nice cars and my little ones will be going to the best schools in the area partly paid for by these capitalistic companies you deride.

Capitalism reflects what is the human nature instinct. To out perform, to beat others, to get what is deserved to you.

I am all for a system that rewards the work you put in. If I worked bloody hard at school and university to get qualified for higher roles, then I should receive just reward in monetary terms than others who did not try.

Competitive advantage is the key to getting on in life and capitalism and the supply/demand curve does this for us.

No other system (socialism, communism) rewards hard work and individual effort like capitalism does.

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Reply #44 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:25pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:19pm:

No thanks.

I
have worked for US

multi nationals

for the last decade and have been profoundly

well

paid

for it

.

I

have travelled the world, risen and been

promoted

within the corporates, received decent

bonuses

,

we have nice cars

and

my

little ones will be going to the

best schools

in the area partly

paid

for by these capitalistic companies you deride.

Capitalism reflects what is the human nature instinct. To

out perform

,

to beat

others

, to get what is

deserved to you

.

I

am all for a system that rewards the work

you

put in. If

I

worked

bloody hard at school and university to get qualified for higher roles, then

I

should receive just reward in monetary terms than [color=#0000ff]

others

who

did not try

Competitive advantage

is the key to getting on in life and capitalism and the

supply/demand

curve does this for

us

.

No other system (socialism, communism) rewards hard work and

individual effort

like capitalism does.

congratulations

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Yes, ofcause. 18 (72.0%) No, it doesnt 7 (28.0%) Total votes: 25 « Created by: Pantheon on: Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:31am »