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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers? Reply #45 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:26pm One day Andrei, you will realise that you have done it all to help others....not anytime soon though
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Reply #46 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:31pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:19pm:

No thanks.

I have worked for US multi nationals for the last decade and have been profoundly well paid for it.

I have travelled the world, risen and been promoted within the corporates, received decent bonuses, we have nice cars and my little ones will be going to the best schools in the area partly paid for by these capitalistic companies you deride.

Capitalism reflects what is the human nature instinct. To out perform, to beat others, to get what is deserved to you.

I am all for a system that rewards the work you put in. If I worked bloody hard at school and university to get qualified for higher roles, then I should receive just reward in monetary terms than others who did not try.

Competitive advantage is the key to getting on in life and capitalism and the supply/demand curve does this for us.

No other system (socialism, communism) rewards hard work and individual effort like capitalism does.

Boer, you are the most conceited prick I have ever known. Money and status preoccupy your thinking.

I genuinely feel sorry for you. You live in a one dimensional world totally dominated by the mighty $.

I can only hope one day you wake up to yourself. But I won't hold my breath.

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Reply #47 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:34pm

I'm sorry but a 60+ year old immigrant who comes to my country - then moans he isn't allowed to vote - whilst adding the square root of bugger all in value into my country - gets short amounts of time in my house.

Add to the fact you feign illness for compassion - makes you even more of a waste of space.

Why dont you p1ss off back to your insignificant tinpot set of islands nutter.

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Reply #48 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:36pm

Feel free to feel sorry for me lunatic.

I would add though that one of the biggest companies in the world have promoted me to the level of Assoc VP before I have reached the age of 35.

I probably earn more in a year than you did in 10.

I managed to do it without suffering from mental breakdowns too.

Who is the weak one?

Not the boers.... Whilst never having lived in RSA, I have clearly inherited the genetic qualities of the toughest people on this planet....

Success Freedman. Maybe you'll taste it in the next life.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers? Reply #49 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:37pm Why don't you grow some semblance of a heart Andrei? You are rooted.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers? Reply #50 - Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:38pm Amadd wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:37pm: Why don't you grow some semblance of a heart Andrei? You are rooted. Who am I supposed to feel something for then?
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Reply #51 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 3:08am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:36pm:

Feel free to feel sorry for me lunatic.

I would add though that one of the biggest companies in the world have promoted me to the level of Assoc VP before I have reached the age of 35.

I probably earn more in a year than you did in 10.

I managed to do it without suffering from mental breakdowns too.

Who is the weak one?

Not the boers.... Whilst never having lived in RSA, I have clearly inherited the genetic qualities of the toughest people on this planet....

Success Freedman. Maybe you'll taste it in the next life.

Boer, I have tasted all sorts of success in my life. Such as leading a union of journalists and resolving a 7-year- old wage dispute.

Australia isn't your country. You turned your back on it, no doubt in pursuit of even more money.

Your "lunatic" and "nutter" cracks upset me not one jot. I know they are just a puerile attempt to rile me and stem from your pig ignorance.

The Boers may be strong, agreed. But they are also both racist and arrogant. So are you.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers? Reply #52 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 7:28am Peter Freedman wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 3:08am: Boer, I have tasted all sorts of success in my life. Such as leading a union of journalists and resolving a 7-year- old wage dispute Did you also get him a pay rise when he turned 8?
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Re: Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?
Reply #53 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 10:33am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 3:32pm:

Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?

Every chance it gets.

How?

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:01am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:58am:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?

Is that a rhetorical question. Of course it does! It's the nature of the beast! Cheesy

Would you like to tell me where i went wrong

Lack of life experiences? Cheesy

I could say the same thing to you, however unlike you, i'm not a child. Please tell me where i went wrong.

You made the mistake of being a capitalist?

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Because looking at workers in the West and workers in Socialist states, We have far more rights and freedoms than other workers from socialist state don't have.

Ever consider why workers have those rights and freedoms?

Employers are always attacking those rights and freedoms, wanting them reduced or removed in the name of "flexibility". They see them as an expensive hindrance on their ability to maximise their profits, at the expense of the workers. Workers fought for those rights and freedoms because they had suffered exploitation at the hands of unscrupulous employers.

Any examples, i know plenty examples of when there is no more need of a type of worker or the price of product out Justice the cost of building the product but no example of what your describing.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Avoking cant point to a society which practices capitalism and yet wants to know how Capitalist ideals treats workers

interesting illness

Come on now chimp are you that literature, I've already given you 3 examples of state using (and my i add very successfully) Laissez-faire : http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382543089/0

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Reply #54 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 10:56am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

Capitalism is not perfect by any means but it absolutely is the best card game in town.

What if, instead of gambling with our livelihoods we co-operated and helped each, particularly those in need or less well-off than the majority? Why should some individuals be able to accumulate more wealth than they ever use or need at the expense of others who barely have enough to live on and must struggle all their lives?

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Reply #55 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 10:59am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:01am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:58am:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?

Is that a rhetorical question. Of course it does! It's the nature of the beast! Cheesy

Would you like to tell me where i went wrong

Lack of life experiences? Cheesy

I could say the same thing to you, however unlike you, i'm not a child. Please tell me where i went wrong.

You made the mistake of being a capitalist?

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Because looking at workers in the West and workers in Socialist states, We have far more rights and freedoms than other workers from socialist state don't have.

Ever consider why workers have those rights and freedoms?

Employers are always attacking those rights and freedoms, wanting them reduced or removed in the name of "flexibility". They see them as an expensive hindrance on their ability to maximise their profits, at the expense of the workers. Workers fought for those rights and freedoms because they had suffered exploitation at the hands of unscrupulous employers.

Excellent point!

decades and even centuries of activism and individuals as well as unions fighting for better conditions, respect and a secure standard of living.

Capitalists detest a united workforce that asks questions and makes demands that are fair and reflective of their work input

There is a move in some countries in Europe to empower workers with equal shares in a company venture or even in a cooperative structure where farmers pools resources for example.

They have found 3 major differences when these structures are implemented in the workplace

1. more content workers and working environment
2. higher retention of staff
3. higher productivity

Capitalism has never been tried anywhere in the world - and for a very good reason. Even the capitalists themselves don't want true market discipline to apply to their investments etc. (they don't mind if market discipline and capitalist ideologies apply to the family business or a small company. A good example was the disgraceful behaviour of governments during the 2008 GFC, trillions of dollars of tax payers money straight into the coffers of the banksters and corporations - the very same people who caused the crisis in the first place

I'm being to think no one watch the video... Roll Eyes

What caused the 2008 GFC was the US Government, they interfered with the 'free market' and guaranteed bankers and investors etc, that nothing will go wrong its backed by the US government. In fact the bankers didn't know (foolishly) how risky the investments was, until it was too late. Bankers didn't want bail outs (only 2 of the 9 banks which got a bail out actually needed it, and like the banks troubled business was also got bailed out. However both bankers were forced by the US to accept the bail outs) because in accepting them the US government will become part owner of the bank.

In other words: Lemon socialism: a term for the practice in supposedly free market capitalist economies in which the government steps in to bail out or otherwise subsidize weak or failing firms

Who was at fault? if the US Gov didn't got interfered with the 'free market' and guaranteed bankers and investors etc, that nothing will go wrong at the same time falsely ranked CCC rated investments AAA, the GFC could of been avoided.

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Reply #56 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 10:59am

Pantheon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 10:33am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 3:32pm:

Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?

Every chance it gets.

How?

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:01am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:58am:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?

Is that a rhetorical question. Of course it does! It's the nature of the beast! Cheesy

Would you like to tell me where i went wrong

Lack of life experiences? Cheesy

I could say the same thing to you, however unlike you, i'm not a child. Please tell me where i went wrong.

You made the mistake of being a capitalist?

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Because looking at workers in the West and workers in Socialist states, We have far more rights and freedoms than other workers from socialist state don't have.

Ever consider why workers have those rights and freedoms?

Employers are always attacking those rights and freedoms, wanting them reduced or removed in the name of "flexibility". They see them as an expensive hindrance on their ability to maximise their profits, at the expense of the workers. Workers fought for those rights and freedoms because they had suffered exploitation at the hands of unscrupulous employers.

Any examples, i know plenty examples of when there is no more need of a type of worker or the price of product out Justice the cost of building the product but no example of what your describing.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Avoking cant point to a society which practices capitalism and yet wants to know how Capitalist ideals treats workers

interesting illness

Come on now chimp are you that literature, I've already given you 3 examples of state using (and my i add very successfully) Laissez-faire : http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382543089/0

You've given examples of corporatized fascist regimes

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Reply #57 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 11:02am

|dev|null wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 10:56am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

Capitalism is not perfect by any means but it absolutely is the best card game in town.

What if, instead of gambling with our livelihoods we co-operated and helped each, particularly those in need or less well-off than the majority? Why should some individuals be able to accumulate more wealth than they ever use or need at the expense of others who barely have enough to live on and must struggle all their lives?

That's the idea the USSR had...and Cuba...and Vietnam..however it never terns out the way its meant too.

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Reply #58 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 11:05am

Pantheon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 10:33am:

Any examples, i know plenty examples of when there is no more need of a type of worker or the price of product out Justice the cost of building the product but no example of what your describing.

The numerous attempts to remove Penalty Rates for lower paid works in the hospitality industry.

The numerous examples of mine owners who have forced safety standards to be lowered (such as evacuation of mines during blasting).

"Work Choices", the reintroduction of the Building and Construction Commission - efforts to diminish the power of collectivised bargaining for workers and the use of "individual contracts" by Government.

Do you need any more? Cheesy

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Reply #59 - Oct 30^th, 2013 at 11:06am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 10:59am:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2013 at 10:33am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 3:32pm:

Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?

Every chance it gets.

How?

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 11:01am:

|dev|null wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 10:58am:

Pantheon wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Does Capitalism Exploit Workers?

Is that a rhetorical question. Of course it does! It's the nature of the beast! Cheesy

Would you like to tell me where i went wrong

Lack of life experiences? Cheesy

I could say the same thing to you, however unlike you, i'm not a child. Please tell me where i went wrong.

You made the mistake of being a capitalist?

Quote:

Because looking at workers in the West and workers in Socialist states, We have far more rights and freedoms than other workers from socialist state don't have.

Ever consider why workers have those rights and freedoms?

Employers are always attacking those rights and freedoms, wanting them reduced or removed in the name of "flexibility". They see them as an expensive hindrance on their ability to maximise their profits, at the expense of the workers. Workers fought for those rights and freedoms because they had suffered exploitation at the hands of unscrupulous employers.

Any examples, i know plenty examples of when there is no more need of a type of worker or the price of product out Justice the cost of building the product but no example of what your describing.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 29^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Avoking cant point to a society which practices capitalism and yet wants to know how Capitalist ideals treats workers

interesting illness

Come on now chimp are you that literature, I've already given you 3 examples of state using (and my i add very successfully) Laissez-faire : http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382543089/0

You've given examples of corporatized fascist regimes

you see capitalism as corporatized fascist regimes so i did give you an answer Roll Eyes

In those examples, the government had NO intervention with the economy, they just allowed workers and employers do their thing, without government regulations.

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