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Reply #45 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:49am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:38am:
BigOl64 wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:30am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:26am:
GoneWest wrote on Oct 29th, 2013 at 3:58pm:
> How's that for answering your questions?

By Australian standards (esp. those set by Oz parliaments) it's perfectly adequate. By any reasonable standards, it's just another foul-mouthed rant of the type you'd expect from today's Australians.



Foul-mouthed rants are Bighole's forte.

If you were expecting anything else, prepare to be disappointed.


And, he's certainly not a good representation of "today's Australians".

In answer the the question in your OP: we didn't formally declare war on Afghanistan.  And yes, it was pretty much just "sucking up to the yanks".





Boo fvcken hoo, pecker

He is just another one of you dead sh1t trolls and gets treated just like the rest of you dead sh1t trolls.




Case in point.



And for some reason you believe that trolls like yourself and beetle bailey need to be treated with a modicum of respect; well you are both in for a life of disappointment then aren't you.


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Reply #46 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 12:53pm
 
> As a typical dumb sh1t civilian

Ah, the Victorious Warrior returned from the Field, eager to earn the adulation of his Fellow Citizens.

> Why bother making them out of one of the more expensive (and difficult to plate) metals when you could use something cheaper, much closer in specific gravity and more easily plated, like Lead?

I'll answer this because you've demonstrated an uncommon degree of intelligence for an Oz; but also, predictably, the usual degree of insolence, ignorance and laziness. Herewith the densities in kg/cu m of the three metals in question. I'll assume you have someone available to explain what they mean; even a Singaporean high-school student could have done as much:

Gold       19320
Tungsten   19600
Lead       11340

> Why even plate them, when you could just paint them gold and no one would be the wiser.

If you bought gold from a certified dealer, and you had it assayed, they might do an SG, but they wouldn't drill holes in their customers' gold bars without written permission, which is why it took so long for the fraud to come to light; few could believe the degree of gall and corruption thereby implied.

> It's not as if people are in there every day, lifting the bars and examining them.

You obviously have no experience in financial matters.

> Most foreign gold reserves are held in New York.

In a public locker at Central Station, I suppose.

> Becasue the SG of lead isn't even close to that of gold.

Oh, and thanks, Honky.
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Reply #47 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 1:56pm
 
From my studies, Australia is currently unable to protect herself and match current and future needs for security, because the government is reluctant to spend all this money on defense, after all why spend it on defense when you can just increase or introduce a new welfare handout and win vote. We have been doing this since around 1920 and by 1950 with our mother (UK) now unable to help us, So we turned to the united states.

However despite all of our work trying to get the US to agree signing a defense agreement (like NATO) in which where if one member is attacked the other should come to help we are left 'alone'. So instead of biting the bullet and rapidly increased spending for defense and maintaining it, we have set of a strategy of following the US in every conflict it gets involved, voting at the UN for US interest even if it damages our own interests.

By being involved in every single war the US enters, our leaders hope that if we are ever attack the US will feel in indebted to us and will come and defend us even if it isn't in her interest all because of our history.

Problem is historically great powers have never been reliable (trustworthy) to 'repay' favor.
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Reply #48 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 2:35pm
 
A nice summary, Ahovking. I suppose if anything useful is to come of all of this, it's how these matters can be raised and discussed in Federal Parliament without actually stating what's too embarrassing to be spoken aloud. As greggerypeccary wrote with refreshing bluntness:

> we didn't formally declare war on Afghanistan. And yes, it was pretty much just "sucking up to the yanks".

These things cannot be stated openly, but must be silently acknowledged as the basis of subsequent decisions if we're to gain anything from the Afghanistan debacle. And if we don't, it's hi-ho to Africa we go next year, with the inevitable consequences.

If Ozns could take their own defence seriously, we'd be so busy designing and building the necessary equipment that there'd be no unemployment; but so long as the Defence Farce knows that the Yanks will gallop in to save their virginity at the last moment, they'll never find the necessary urgency and incentives.

My guess is that it'll take a major crisis - quite likely a disaster of some sort - to bring about so drastic a change.

And on that note I'll leave it be.
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Reply #49 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm
 
So, it's over?  So, who won?  Who lost?  Who came second?   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin
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Reply #50 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 3:44pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 3:31pm:
So, it's over?  So, who won?  Who lost?  Who came second?   Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin



Halliburton were the outright winners.

In second place, I would put the opium trade.

The losers were undoubtedly called 'collateral damage".
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Reply #51 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 9:16pm
 
GoneWest wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 12:53pm:
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> Most foreign gold reserves are held in New York.

In a public locker at Central Station, I suppose.


He's right. They are held in New York, in the Gold Vault of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. to the tune at present of 530,000 gold bars, with a combined weight of 7,000 metric tons (7,716 tons) of gold bullion (225.1 million oz. troy).  Whereas, The United States Bullion Depository at Fort Knox (where no foreign bullion is stored), contains only some 4,578 metric tons (5,046.3 short tons) of gold bullion (147.2 million oz. troy).
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Reply #52 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 6:19am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 9:16pm:
GoneWest wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 12:53pm:
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> Most foreign gold reserves are held in New York.

In a public locker at Central Station, I suppose.


He's right. They are held in New York, in the Gold Vault of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. to the tune at present of 530,000 gold bars, with a combined weight of 7,000 metric tons (7,716 tons) of gold bullion (225.1 million oz. troy).  Whereas, The United States Bullion Depository at Fort Knox (where no foreign bullion is stored), contains only some 4,578 metric tons (5,046.3 short tons) of gold bullion (147.2 million oz. troy).



No wonder Obama's listening in to their phone calls.

He wants to know exactly when they'll be popping over to collect their bullion.

I wonder if it's there.
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